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Guard only for Tank disciplines in 6.0

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Guard only for Tank disciplines in 6.0

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JediMasterAlex
07.08.2019 , 06:03 PM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by Zurules View Post
Dont forget, all the off tanks specs are squishy and dont have many dcds, only jugg/guardians can off guard slightly better imo because they have 2 lives without resetting.
Shows again how out of touch you are with solo ranked. Dps juggs virtually never offguard. I've only seen a literal handful do it in hundreds of matches, and that was only when two good dps juggs were swapping guard on each other. Juggs nearly always get focused first, so they never have a chance to guard.

Sins are the only class that make use of offguard on a semi-regular basis. You should know, because it was the only reason you were good at solos.

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Zurules
07.08.2019 , 07:47 PM | #22
Quote: Originally Posted by JediMasterAlex View Post
Shows again how out of touch you are with solo ranked. Dps juggs virtually never offguard. I've only seen a literal handful do it in hundreds of matches, and that was only when two good dps juggs were swapping guard on each other. Juggs nearly always get focused first, so they never have a chance to guard.

Sins are the only class that make use of offguard on a semi-regular basis. You should know, because it was the only reason you were good at solos.
Hate to point out the obvious, but the reason they are focused first is because they are the best at off-guard with no escape (other than pt/vg). If a good jugg is not focused and he does not off-guard, then hate to say it but in like 98% of those cases it would be a mistake on the jugg's part.

You only think about the results, not how you get those results. That is why you will always be an average pvper. You play more than anyone as you said, yet you seem to be unable to ever improve and play at the highest lvl in regards to pvp.

If the only reason i got top 5 in solo ranked in each of the 4 seasons i made that my goal as a dps shadow was by off-guarding, Why were most of the others not able to do the same? I mean, it was super easy to do right?
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KendraP
07.08.2019 , 08:37 PM | #23
now now, can we not derail something else with another petty brawl between you two...

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Zurules
07.08.2019 , 08:51 PM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by KendraP View Post
now now, can we not derail something else with another petty brawl between you two...
I'm sorry, but im in the mood to defend higher quality pvp for this game. If people want to listen to someone who has no experience in the highest lvl of pvp in this game at any point in its history, that will be their choice. Anything that he or anyone else says that i consider bad advice, i'll continue to point it out and explain why.

Everyone, has a right to their opinion. Him, me, everyone.

The quality of pvp for a long time has been quite simply horrific. You can't even get a high quality game in ranked anymore, and that is the queue for people who are supposed to know what they are doing. Hell, just today i had 3 good quality reg games out of like 8 games, who would of figured that.
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KendraP
07.08.2019 , 09:16 PM | #25
Quote: Originally Posted by Zurules View Post
snip.
yeah because the last thread you guys derailed with literal pages of petty arguing was full of wonderful advice and quality information...

and again, i'm witholding my personal opinion on the matter, despite the fact I have a very strong one, because:
A. no one cares
B. it doesn't matter what I say, I realize I make no difference in what anyone here believes
C. it's better for everyone to let bygones be bygones

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JediMasterAlex
07.08.2019 , 10:41 PM | #26
Quote: Originally Posted by Zurules View Post
Hate to point out the obvious, but the reason they are focused first is because they are the best at off-guard with no escape (other than pt/vg). If a good jugg is not focused and he does not off-guard, then hate to say it but in like 98% of those cases it would be a mistake on the jugg's part.
It's quite silly to say "juggs are the best at offguard" when they don't ever offguard. That is living in a fantasy land, not reality. The reason juggs don't offguard, which yes, is obvious to everyone, isn't relevant when disputing that statement.

Quote: Originally Posted by Zurules View Post
If the only reason i got top 5 in solo ranked in each of the 4 seasons i made that my goal as a dps shadow was by off-guarding, Why were most of the others not able to do the same? I mean, it was super easy to do right?
It is pretty easy to do. Most sins don't realize how powerful a tool it is. There are plenty that queue that literally never use it because they're ignorant, not necessarily bad. And it remains laughable that you only got those results when it was conveniently your "goal" and yet magically when it was apparently no longer your goal, you can't do it anymore.

Quote: Originally Posted by Zurules View Post
I'm sorry, but im in the mood to defend higher quality pvp for this game. If people want to listen to someone who has no experience in the highest lvl of pvp in this game at any point in its history, that will be their choice. Anything that he or anyone else says that i consider bad advice, i'll continue to point it out and explain why.
Zurules has played a handful of matches in the past two seasons. And in those handful, he was mediocre. His success in the distant past was mainly due to offguarding as a sin, so he obviously takes this topic quite personally.

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RACATW
07.09.2019 , 12:23 AM | #27
It confuses me how people think taking 50% extra damage as a dps is some magical ability of extreme and unrelenting power.

If it was dps juggs would be meta. Btw dps jugg isnt meta.

Think about it this way, the target will take 150% damage when only one person directly attacks him while another is attacking the person being guarded. That means he uses his dcds at a rate of 1.5 times faster.

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kissingaiur
07.09.2019 , 11:02 AM | #28
Quote: Originally Posted by JediMasterAlex View Post
I guarantee you that I play more solo ranked than anyone you talk to about pvp. And I probably maintain a higher rating than the vast majority of them as well. I know much better than you what happens in solo ranked matches. (Note that I'm not claiming to be an amazing player, but I've played hundreds and hundreds of solo ranked matches at a high rating this season alone). Guard by dps is indeed very strong, but it doesn't happen in the majority of games. That is a fact. It certainly can be a huge factor if it is being used.
i dont need you giving me your street cred. all i care about is what your "street cred" experience has taught you. if you played "high level matches" and do not understand the impact of guard in solo ranked matches that's pretty much all i need to know about your experiences in solo ranked. it doesn't really take a high level of game understanding to know how multiple people in a team having guard can heavily shift who wins or loses. solo ranked is designed around a meta that is a simple pure dps race to down one person. if multiple people are transferring 50% damage between each other, that is an extreme advantage for one side or the other. because instead of that 3 man tunnel going into 1 person its being spread though multiple players. that isn't rocket science.
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foxmob
07.09.2019 , 12:30 PM | #29
Quote: Originally Posted by Zurules View Post
Hate to point out the obvious, but the reason they are focused first is because they are the best at off-guard with no escape (other than pt/vg).
I don't mean to butt-in on the forum pvp between you two, but this is a silly statement. only 3 ACs are capable of off-guarding (i.e., dps specs with guard capabilities), and you just out of hand eliminated one (VG/PT). so all you're doing is comparing jugg vs. sin, and then you out of hand eliminated sins because they have an escape. so you've created a category of one. they aren't "the best off guard with no escape" in your schema. they're the only one.

edit: most off guards on SF come from juggs.

some off guards come at opportune times from sins.

it's not most of either spec. but if you yolo for a week, you'll know who it is that will off guard out of hand and who will do it at opportune times.

personally, I think only tanks should have guard. but w/e. I'm tired of making the argument. we diagree. the other stuff above, however, is kinda funny and worth posting.
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KendraP
07.09.2019 , 12:36 PM | #30
Quote: Originally Posted by foxmob View Post
I don't mean to butt-in on the forum pvp between you two, but this is a silly statement. only 3 ACs are capable of off-guarding (i.e., dps specs with guard capabilities), and you just out of hand eliminated one (VG/PT). so all you're doing is comparing jugg vs. sin, and then you out of hand eliminated sins because they have an escape. so you've created a category of one. they aren't "the best off guard with no escape" in your schema. they're the only one.

edit: most off guards on SF come from juggs.

some off guards come at opportune times from sins.

it's not most of either spec. but if you yolo for a week, you'll know who it is that will off guard out of hand and who will do it at opportune times.

personally, I think only tanks should have guard. but w/e. I'm tired of making the argument. we diagree. the other stuff above, however, is kinda funny and worth posting.
Much as it pains me to do this, I believe he was getting at VGs being a worse guard with no escape, implying 6hat guardians would be focused above PTs because they are better at guarding.

Again not giving my opinion. Just stating what I believe to be his.