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Things in Chapter XII that don't make any sense...

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Things in Chapter XII that don't make any sense...

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Storm-Cutter
04.13.2016 , 11:57 PM | #91
If all the bits for a super-weapon are just lying around outside the base, couldn't Satele Shan put it together and leave it on the doorstep?
- I can't imagine there's much else to do for months, hiding in the outback; other than whittling spoons, and trying to take a shower without pervy old Darth Marr watching.

- If there's an epic -weapon-of-Arcann-slaying forge in the wilderness, how did it get there? I assume Satele brought it from Tython or somewhere similar - but why isn't it nearer the ship?
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DarkJediAcheron
04.14.2016 , 01:27 AM | #92
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The Gemini Frequency hyperwave comms station is 10 kms beneath Zakuul:
It's possible it has connection going up along the tower. Destroying those would only be a temporary setback. Destroy the relay itself and you're good to go.

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- Speaking to Valkorion in a secluded location outside the base:
Valkorion appears when you're alone more often than he does when you're with people. Especially for long conversations.

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- Satele chilling in the woods 2 minutes from the Alliance base:
As someone stated before, it felt 2 minutes to us but we were unconscious/climbing so it could've been far longer in reality.

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- The first confrontation with Valkorion is happening in full view of base personnel:
It could've all been in your head. It wouldn't be the first time.

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- Arcann struck a killing blow against us?:
Yeah this feel like a major oversight for DS characters.

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- Satele's idea of casual manslaughter in the woods:
War changes people. Perhaps she considered it because she (And Marr) felt the Emperor's presence within you. Swap places with her and you'd at least consider killing her in order to (hopefully) end the Emperor once and for all.

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- Satele abandonded the Republic and the Jedi Order?:
When everything you've worked towards, fought for, and experienced in your life has failed. When you're being driven into the ground by guilt for (In her mind) sending so many Jedi to their deaths against Zakuul, you may feel like self-exile is the way to go. Plus, she's admitted to following the will of the Force, which may have pulled her away.

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- Marr still serving the Empire?:
Why didn't Obi-wan do the same thing? Force Ghosts are very limited in what they can do from what we know. Plus, just like with Satele, Marr is following the will of the Force.

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- Arcann and Vaylin are beyond Light and Dark?:
I believe this one needs more explanation in future chapters. It feels like we only got a piece of the puzzle.

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- Non-Force users can suddenly use the Force?:
I interpreted this in two ways. One, Marr and Satele were helping you. Two, when Valkorion left, he said he was leaving you with a gift. As a Force User, perhaps it was more power. As a non-Force user, it was a portion of his power for you to tap into.

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- Resilience, Transcendence or Sacrifice?:
Yeah this wasn't very clear or useful. They needed to go into more explanation.
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- Satele and Marr embraced Valkorion's ideals?:
I don't want to say they embraced the SAME ideals, merely the same message. The player needs to be more. Stronger. Free from the shackles of their teachings. Or, as others have said, it's secretly Valkorion messing with you.

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robertthebard
04.14.2016 , 07:22 AM | #93
Quote: Originally Posted by Unperson View Post
Yeah, buddy. Tell me more about "back in the day". But first take a look at my user # here, will ya? Yeah, I was here clearing content "back in the day" too. And before that, as well. That's the reason I have a perspective to compare the current state of the game with how things were "back in the day", and make an educated guess regarding where we're headed. Feel free to disagree, but be warned: you may need to formulate an actual argument (GASP!).




Reading comprehension fail. The point was that you *can* play with one finger now. The game plays itself, that's how simple, basic and unengaging the majority of PVE content in this game is currently, and that bare minimums design philosophy is also seeping into "story" -- the crux of this thread.

I couldn't care less what you personally are doing with your fingers while you play, and I don't remember asking. You can pat yourself in the back for not taking 15 minutes to kill a champion, champ, but that wasn't the point. Keep tilting at windmills, though.

And no, I didn't make the vid. Swissbob did. Go tell him how he's doing it wrong.
Here's the thing:

First, don't pull my hair, or run tell my mom that I said mean things to you. The first half of this post reminds me of my grandkids wrestling around the living room over the last week while they were here, so I'm a bit concerned that this is the next step.

Second, where did I say "doing it wrong" or that "it can't be done". Speaking of reading comprehension fails, this one is of epic proportions. It's so epic, in fact, that I'm left feeling that it's either deliberate, or someone didn't have their interpreter handy. I provided my own anecdotal evidence of the phenomena. Sorry that it seems to have blown a gasket for you somewhere because the video's demonstration isn't as efficient as actually playing the game, but what did you expect. Oh, that's answered in the very paragraph where you accuse me of failing to comprehend, a likely side effect of your failure to comprehend: One day, the game's going to play itself.

As to member numbers, etc? Who really cares? The point was never "I've been here longer than you", which is what has me concerned about the potential hair pulling and tattling, but that comps have always had the potential to be strong, if they were built right. I was soloing Oricon when it was a thing with a Shadow tank and Nadia Grell. She was a pure DPS back then, and frankly, better at it than about half the players I've ever played with.

Just because you can do a thing doesn't mean you should do a thing. This 1 button playstyle doesn't apply or appeal to me, I prefer to actually play the game. It doesn't matter who made the video, they didn't provide it for this thread. Apparently they're better at 1 button playing than the person I observed, which isn't a concept that's strange to me, one player being better than another is somehow news these days? If it's appealing to you to sit there doing next to nothing, and you have the extra time, more power to you. I, on the other hand, have better things to do than sit around waiting for you to finish killing stuff that I'd already have dead and on it's respawn timer.

As an aside here, bots have been a very real thing in MMOs for a very long time. These bots are actually toons that already could play the game for you. In fact, in some games, you can legally set up what amounts to a bot, via the game's built in macro system, so automated gameplay isn't some new concept due to companions here. Shocking, isn't it.

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Thaladan
04.14.2016 , 07:47 AM | #94
whatever the choices you made in last chapters, when valkorion proposed you his help, it's the same result in this chapter.

"choices" you made are just a lure to give you the false feeling you are the center of the story but you're finally just like a viewer of a movie in a 3D cinema : you feel to be in the movie but you're not.

So after 11 chapters, trying to have a relevance whatever you chose to do in secondary decisions, the twelve chapter cannot hide inconsistencies.

The result is awfull, especially for characters who embraced the emperor's will (my fury of the emperor maraudeur for example who always try to continue is duty)

And for non force users characters, seriously what's the interest to play them for this story, it's so wobbly..and this chapter just shows it too much.

after 12 chapters we all know that we pay a sub to see an episode of a non canon star wars movie each month. nothing more.

BW failed a lot, there is no choice, no difference of story. you just can kill 1 or 2 companions or kill more innocents in the story ..amazing...

as a star wars fan, i could like the chapter 12, as a reference of luke in dagoba.
i could like it, if it was a single chapter of our apprenticeship of the force, but as the following of KOTFE story? just NO.

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BorisKarloffe
04.14.2016 , 08:28 AM | #95
OP could add this to the list of things that don't make sense:

1.Why Kaliyo is suddenly the only one that can slice the relay, when in chapter 9 concerning slicing and taking over the droids her response was "I wasn't planning on being there long, and tech isn't my thing".

2. Why isn't Scorpio involved in the discussion about the mission to the Relay at all? She was the character who found and would be the most invested in the Gemini frequency.

3. Why can't Havoc squad slice anything or locate anyone amongst the Zakuul refugees that can slice something? Seems ridiculous the Republic's best special forces group doesn't have anyone that is a tech specialist ( Yuun previously and Gearbox before that).

4. Why does Satele mutter that if the Outlander doesn't want some food then good, "more for us"? Last I checked, force ghosts couldn't eat...well...anything, or even care about anyone else eating.

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CrazyCT
04.14.2016 , 08:30 AM | #96
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2. Why isn't Scorpio involved in the discussion about the mission to the Relay at all? She was the character who found and would be the most invested in the Gemini frequency.
Yeah, I'd keep SCORPIO as far away from any discussions regarding plans about that Gemini frequency. I'd have found her some task to do far, far away.
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Max_Killjoy
04.14.2016 , 08:31 AM | #97
Quote: Originally Posted by BorisKarloffe View Post
OP could add this to the list of things that don't make sense:

1.Why Kaliyo is suddenly the only one that can slice the relay, when in chapter 9 concerning slicing and taking over the droids her response was "I wasn't planning on being there long, and tech isn't my thing".

2. Why isn't Scorpio involved in the discussion about the mission to the Relay at all? She was the character who found and would be the most invested in the Gemini frequency.

3. Why can't Havoc squad slice anything or locate anyone amongst the Zakuul refugees that can slice something? Seems ridiculous the Republic's best special forces group doesn't have anyone that is a tech specialist ( Yuun previously and Gearbox before that).
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grania
04.14.2016 , 02:07 PM | #98
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"Consistent characterization and character abilities are nothing when compared to the power of Our Story. " -- BioWare.
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Karkais
04.14.2016 , 02:59 PM | #99
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Somehow, though, the movies never seem to be able to grasp scale and scope... here's a conflict that's supposed to involve the entire known galaxy, and yet we see "grand fleets" of a couple dozen ships, and stories told as if everything that's going on comes down to a handful of people...
Not that Im defending the movies or anything, but if you spread your fleet over the entire galaxy, you aren't going to get very many ships in one place.
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