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AlrikFassbauer
10.26.2019 , 03:03 AM | #9731
Quote: Originally Posted by Ayushman View Post
Pretty much this ^... most of the time we met weird peeps who are in fact either bad or out of touch with their toon. only if they realise it and re-learn their class, lot of awkward situation can be avoided.
I had a similar thing with a guild run just before 60. to get another Sage into level 70.
I barely rfemembered his abilities, but, on the positive side, he had been my main toon for such long time (until I made another one my main toon), that after 30 seconds I instandly knew what i had to do. I even remembered why I had arranged the keys / buttons in that manner.

What I'm saying is this . If you know yout toon particularly well, it's far easier to fet into everything.
Worst is a seldom played toon with forgetting the abilities ...
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Ayushman
10.26.2019 , 09:34 PM | #9732
Quote: Originally Posted by AlrikFassbauer View Post
What I'm saying is this . If you know yout toon particularly well, it's far easier to fet into everything.
Worst is a seldom played toon with forgetting the abilities ...
I agere with you. Being an altaholic, I know the pain of seldom played toons can bring.

On a separate note... another weird run
MM Rakata, first boss unkillable. Got a pop, zoned in to see two player standing. jugg tank, sin dps. They said two others left... Fine, can work with that. got a healer. wiped three times. healer quits. Jugg tank says this should not be so difficult. I say healer hps is poor and sin dps too. so they switched roll. sin rerolled to tank and jugg into dps. tried with a healing comp and guess what, the boss dies... rest of the run went smooth... jugg says meh... whats wroing with peeps these days? I say, after effect of constantly running hammer station.
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Gelious
10.28.2019 , 03:25 PM | #9733
This is the story about how I got both lucky and unlucky at the same time.

So new FP is out and it means its time to kill all bosses there at least once on all modes for achievement. Story and tactical dont present a problem and share achievements. so its HM where the real fun begins.

I got lucky with that. When I first queued for Meridian HM I got instant pop at bonus boss, and we killed everything from there. But that still left the problem of 1 boss...

So today I start spamming the fleet for the group, because as a dps I really cant afford to just sit and wait for GF to pop. I got lucky, and find a merc dps and a merc healer on Fleet. Then GF finds us a tank.

I explain to my group the situation and offer to explain tactics before each boss (minus the first, since I only ever saw him at story and tactical, but its probably not much different) We reach the 1 boss, and tank, who hasnt noticed my words (as he later admitted) pulls. We die to combination of towers (group-wide damage from 2 pylons, have to kill them ASAP) and blue circle on tank (massive periodic damage)

I explain what to do. We pull again. This time we get past the towers, but merc dps dies. He gets a combat rezz, then tank dies due to the blue circle. I am tanking now (306 geared Mara) I survive the blue circke twice due to my awesome dcds. but I got almost nothing left for 3 time and die. Fortunately at that point boss is at low hp and the rest of the group kills it. I get my achievement. Yay!

We proceed to the bonus boss. i explain stuff. Tank died to boss' beam. Not his fault. he's first time here, and it hadn't occured to me that he should hide behind strong golden add, not normal weak ones, so it's really more of my fault.

We return to boss. Then merc healer says he got an urgent message and has to go. He drops group. We queue for replacement, then merc dps dced. Tank says he will leave and wishes me luck. I explain to him that I already got what I actually wanted. On that note we part ways.

And now I have to do it all again Rep side.
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Gelious
10.29.2019 , 10:53 AM | #9734
So you know Hammer station and that bridge that disappears? Apparently at some point community came up with an idea to skip the turrets near that bridge just by running past them. The problem? Not everybody knows this and not everybody actually tells the rest of the group that they will be doing that.

So here I am in my HS run №9981 (really sick of this place, but have to level alts anyway to get them access to that sweet, sweet 306 gear) The group is mostly 75 level minus me (74) and I think some other guy. So I decide to do the skip and not warn the others, even if they dont know, they can figure it out, right?

So I run past the bridge, somebody runs with me, at least 1 gun is shooting on me. We deal with the droid, and then I see there are only 3 of us here. 1 guy stayed behind and attacks a gun. And then he dies to it. The group includes 2 mercs, one of them me, but I got used to not relying on others to do the job I can do. So I run back, to give the guy a combat res. And the gun still shooting a t me. I get on the bridge, walk until the dead guy is in range and revive him with combat rez. All the while my health is dropping fast. I reach to press Adrenalin rush but I am a fraction of a second too late. I die. The rest of the group is somewhere far ahead apparently fighting other mobs.

Then they die. We all die and have to go back. Somebody suggests to stun the guns. I pick the gun and do it, but the other merc doesn't. Meanwhile bridge goes from blue to red. Me and the other guy run on it... we didnt make it, Bridge disappears and we die.

The rest of the run went without any problems. Though the other merc got triggered by all the delays. He was 75, so he was just farming gear
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Gelious - Sith Marauder; Xatras - Jedi Guardian; Xatra - Commando; Helimana - Mercenary; Nellios - Operative; Mellas - Sith Assassin.

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Gelious
10.29.2019 , 11:37 AM | #9735
Apparently for some players out there, the idea of reviving a fellow group member is in fact not as obvious as it is for me. Who would have thought?

I get a pop of Athiss VM. I move too fast and miss all the jump stops falling all the way to the ground. Naturally I die. The 2 other members make it to the ground alive and now wait for the third one who isnt here at all.

And... that's all. I am dead on the ground, they are standing near me, the 4th member is somewhere still above and no one makes a move to ress me. No one. Granted, I didn't actually ask for it and just blindly expected it, but hey, they are doing anything anyway So I have to revive by myself and do the whole jump thing again, this time without problems.

Nothing else of note happens during the FP. I am shocked, however, by the level of indiffrence from those 2 players. Never before have I seen people just staying still and not doing anything when a fellow group member was lying dead on the ground and there was no combat.
"They will not! I command them to know fear! To raise me to my throne! They can not!" - Soa. The Red Eclipse:
Gelious - Sith Marauder; Xatras - Jedi Guardian; Xatra - Commando; Helimana - Mercenary; Nellios - Operative; Mellas - Sith Assassin.

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AbsolutGrndZero
11.01.2019 , 08:27 AM | #9736
Quote: Originally Posted by Gelious View Post
Apparently for some players out there, the idea of reviving a fellow group member is in fact not as obvious as it is for me. Who would have thought?

I get a pop of Athiss VM. I move too fast and miss all the jump stops falling all the way to the ground. Naturally I die. The 2 other members make it to the ground alive and now wait for the third one who isnt here at all.

And... that's all. I am dead on the ground, they are standing near me, the 4th member is somewhere still above and no one makes a move to ress me. No one. Granted, I didn't actually ask for it and just blindly expected it, but hey, they are doing anything anyway So I have to revive by myself and do the whole jump thing again, this time without problems.

Nothing else of note happens during the FP. I am shocked, however, by the level of indiffrence from those 2 players. Never before have I seen people just staying still and not doing anything when a fellow group member was lying dead on the ground and there was no combat.
Free players? Are they even able to res like that? I probably would have said something myself, and probably been called lazy lmao.
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Sabachthanus
11.03.2019 , 09:16 PM | #9737
Because MM Flashpoints are the best way to gear up atm, there are tons of people running them who are not in any way prepared for the content - especially if they queue for all of them for the daily bonus. I've had two pretty bad ones just this weekend.

The first was Hammer Station, of all things. First boss. Healing had been low all flashpoint, if I look back on it, but I didn't notice it at the time - was running Watchman spec Sent. We reach first boss - no-one asks about mechanics, so I assume everyone knows. Bad move on my part. As soon as the droid does his first channel, the tank goes down like a long. He was not cleansed - I can see that on my UI. Boss switches aggro to me as soon as tank goes down. Beam channel comes up - I am not cleansed, and have to force camo it. The second time the beam comes up, I pop GbtF, but that only last for four seconds of the channel. I am not cleansed, and I die. Other DPS dies shortly after, and the healer tries to run out the tunnel to the next part of the FP, but doesn't make it.

The healer tells us the reason we wiiped was because we didn't pull the boss to the back of the room to avoid the adds, implying the tank stood in the red (which I did not see him do). Most even vaguely competent groups don't need to do this since it makes so little difference. I'm pretty sure that's not the problem, but the healer insists it is, so we try it.

Healer does not cleanse tank or me once again, so it's a wipe. I ask the healer if they're new to the class or the Flashpoint. S/he inform me, rather rudely, that they've farmed this flashpoint every day for six weeks (wut?). I drop group, because that means that the heals is either lying, or intentionally not cleansing (weird to think, but I've had a guy on the same boss tell the tank that s/he didn't feel like cleansing). I'll happily explain the mechanics to new players, or how to cleanse somebody, but I have zero tolerance - in Master Mode Flashpoints - for people who aren't willing to put in the effort to clear that level of content.

I also had a Kaon Under Siege MM where the tank hadn't a clue what he was doing. Never used anything but basic attack that I saw, and couldn't keep aggro for anything. He didn't respond when I asked if he knew the Rak Behemoth fight, but instantly pulled it. He tried to pull it down into the middle for some reason, so I ended up having to tank that on a Sent to do the mechanics properly. He also repeatedly chain pulled mobs that he couldn't keep aggro on, which ended up killing the healer. I didn't initiate a votekick, but it was a close thing.

New players: if you are reading this, PLEASE let your group know if you are new to your role, class, or the fight. Most groups I've played with have been more than happy to explain the fights, or give you a lot more latitude.in performance. I don't think I've ever seen a player who said something along those lines kicked or insulted. But if you do not, it WILL come out, and it is very likely that you WILL be kicked, because you didn't do your group the courtesy of informing them.
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Equeliber
11.04.2019 , 04:21 AM | #9738
Quote: Originally Posted by Sabachthanus View Post
Healer does not cleanse tank or me once again, so it's a wipe. I ask the healer if they're new to the class or the Flashpoint. S/he inform me, rather rudely, that they've farmed this flashpoint every day for six weeks (wut?). I drop group, because that means that the heals is either lying, or intentionally not cleansing (weird to think, but I've had a guy on the same boss tell the tank that s/he didn't feel like cleansing). I'll happily explain the mechanics to new players, or how to cleanse somebody, but I have zero tolerance - in Master Mode Flashpoints - for people who aren't willing to put in the effort to clear that level of content.
He might have been really farming it but just getting carried by competent tanks (sin and jugg can deal with the beam themselves, they don't need cleanses, really) or a dps who helped with cleansing.

I have to say, though, I really dislike people who go into a rude defensive state when someone points out their mistake. Like, unless someone is angrily blaming the heal for not cleansing, why not listen? If you just said something like, "are you cleansing the tank on 4-5 stacks?", it sounds perfectly reasonable to me and one shouldn't be mad about being asked such a question. But then, if he truly did this fp so many times without cleansing, I can see how he might think that it is normal and he isn't expected to do it. Still, even if it wasn't required (which, technically, it isn't, unless your tank is a PT), isn't it always best to aid the group in any way you can, even if it means doing something extra? Especially, as a healer but it is true for DPS, too. As a sin I would gladly taunt the boss mechanic into my shroud to help a PT tank. Or simply just taunt the boss if tank is getting low. If I have some DCDs that weren't used yet, why not give tank some time to get back to full HP if damage output is truly too much for tank/heal to handle for whatever reason?

On Meridian Master mode bonus boss, it's especially noticeable. Helping the tank get an add between him and the boss when armor-piercing rounds are being fired is like the top priority over anything else you can be doing as a DPS. That's just the most recent memory of a situation like this. There can be plenty others (especially, when the tank isn't experienced with certain mechanics) where you can help the tank a lot.

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Benirons
11.04.2019 , 05:32 AM | #9739
Quote: Originally Posted by Sabachthanus View Post
S/he inform me, rather rudely, that they've farmed this flashpoint every day for six weeks (wut?).
Ah man that cracked me up real good. Expansion barely out 2 weeks, such a funny lie. I cant decide if they r genuinely that dumb or intentionally trolling ur group.

I hear ya btw, especially with this new expansion and the mindless hammer farm by most folks (farming gear most of them dont even need XD), a lot of folks r clueless about most FPs. And they say absolutely nothing about it at the start. Now that kind of triggers me... im happy to help, but i need to know that u dont know.

I muscle my way through getting them kicked since 99% of the time im tanking, i simply dont have time for such nonsense.

And fun fact, when they do get kicked, there is usually quite an argument over who gets to summon their comps :P.

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JediAkemi
11.04.2019 , 08:56 AM | #9740
They may have been farming for 4 weeks beforehand... but that seems unlikely.

I usually cleanse at 5-6 when I'm healing against that boss. I've seen some runs where I've been DPS and the tank has been sufficiently potent that the healer can get away with cleansing at 7, but I never intentionally let it get past 6 when I'm the healer.