Beniboybling Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 (edited) I was just reading a thread on Comic Vine a little while back where several folks argued that Anakin Skywalker was more powerful than Vader, needless to say I wasn't convinced, but at the same time it seems plausible... So I thought I'd get some opinions, in terms of Force Ability did Anakin become more powerful as Vader, or weaker? And what about lightsaber ability, what are our opinions on who would win in a fight? Edited May 12, 2014 by Beniboybling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slowpokeking Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Force technique-Vader Mobility and Agility-Anakin Defense-Vader Lightsaber skill-Not sure, Vader was more experienced but still, his mobility affected him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 (edited) Not like it really matters now, because new material could very well put Vader being better...but /shrug. TK= Anakin, he has moved much larger things and the like than Vader. Vader's best TK feat is collapsing a cathderal, which is nice but not something that would be out of range for Anakin. Vader however is more controlled over his TK, while Anakin can have issues due to his emotions(Example: Duel with Obi-Wan) Durability= Vader...duh. Speed= Anakin. Strength= They are comparable, Vader in theory should be stronger but I haven't seen any feats that makes it so. Saber Skill= Hmm...actually not sure....though I think Anakin should be better, especially if he is in full control he should also be able to beat Vader too. Edited May 13, 2014 by Wolfninjajedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Girdeux Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 (edited) Lightsaber abilitiy - Anakin. Lucas commented on this in one of the behind the scenes that the OT characters were bad with a lightsaber. Obi-wan was old, Vader was a cripple and Luke was trained by an old man thus wasnt very good Edited May 13, 2014 by Girdeux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZahirS Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Anakin, Vader might mind "contrict him" but Anakin from the Clone Wars was able to subdue the Son without much effort, so yes Anakin does win. Vader has durability, easily countered by tactics in lightsaber combat. Vader realies on anger and passion, Anakin too but his young age is key advantage. Vader is half machinery, Anakin destroys droids and assemble them could easily pick up a bad wire and blow him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tunewalker Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 (edited) Anakin has more raw power.... every one knows this. Vader has more skill and control. Strength I would give Vader (vader changed his style because he found he had more leverage on people and could put more power behind his blows thanks to the cybernetics making him taller and stronger) Endurance Vader Skill with a blade Vader, Anakin was pure Form V, Vader was a hybridized form drawing from all saber forms. A Form Luke would adopt. Power in the Force Anakin, Skill with the Force Vader. Mentality Vader. All-in-all Vader. Edited May 13, 2014 by tunewalker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aximand Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Vader is, essentially, Anakin with a mad-on, so they're basically equal in my eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZahirS Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 (edited) Just to add: Youth always prevails. Edited May 13, 2014 by ZahirS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tunewalker Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Just to add: Youth always prevails. 2:40 MMMK.... mmmmhmmmmm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSwy412nttI hmmmmm 1:30 I dont know I am sensing a pattern Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 2:40 MMMK.... mmmmhmmmmm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSwy412nttI hmmmmm 1:30 I dont know I am sensing a pattern To be fair, Anakin did give Dooku pause Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tunewalker Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 To be fair, Anakin did give Dooku pause To be fair it was a response to "youth ALWAYS wins".... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 To be fair it was a response to "youth ALWAYS wins".... To be fair....I skimmed over that bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sadishist Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Not like it really matters now, because new material could very well put Vader being better...but /shrug. TK= Anakin, he has moved much larger things and the like than Vader. Vader's best TK feat is collapsing a cathderal, which is nice but not something that would be out of range for Anakin. Vader however is more controlled over his TK, while Anakin can have issues due to his emotions(Example: Duel with Obi-Wan) Durability= Vader...duh. Speed= Anakin. Strength= They are comparable, Vader in theory should be stronger but I haven't seen any feats that makes it so. Saber Skill= Hmm...actually not sure....though I think Anakin should be better, especially if he is in full control he should also be able to beat Vader too. play TFU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 play TFU I have played both....and? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarSquirrel Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 (edited) play TFU I to have played both and fail to see your point... Edited May 13, 2014 by StarSquirrel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted May 13, 2014 Author Share Posted May 13, 2014 (edited) But what has Anakin actually done that demonstrates his superiority to Vader? Admittedly I've only seen him in TCW and the Movies, but his feats remain pretty basic... And a superior lightsaber duelist? I'm not sure, Vader improved on his Djem So style considerably after Mustafar, and became proficient in all other forms of lightsaber combat as well, on top of the wealth of experience he possessed. EDIT: The way I see it, though Anakin was stripped of his potential on Mustafar, by tapping into the dark side and through decades of refining his powers he was able to reach the near pinnacle of his post-Mustafar abilities which surpassed the power he achieved as a Jedi, who merely flirted with the dark side as opposed to embracing it fully. And even when he did, he seemingly lacked the control necessary to channel his passions properly. Edited May 13, 2014 by Beniboybling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted May 13, 2014 Author Share Posted May 13, 2014 Well, anybody!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZahirS Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 (edited) Anakin besides common "misperception" was an accomplished Jedi. Some feats: "The boy has exceptional skills." "But he still has much to learn, Master. His abilities have made him… well, arrogant." ―Mace Windu and Obi-Wan Kenobi "You are strong and wise, Anakin, and I am very proud of you. I have trained you since you were a small boy. I have taught you everything I know, and you have become a far greater Jedi than I could ever hope to be." ―Obi-Wan Kenobi Anakin Defeated Assaj Ventress on Yavin IV Temple ruins "Soon I will have a new apprentice… one far younger and more powerful." ―Darth Sidious Anakin also has other advantages like jumping higher, quicker relfexes and has taken down enemies that proven to be very durable. Edited May 13, 2014 by ZahirS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted May 13, 2014 Author Share Posted May 13, 2014 (edited) ...I wouldn't call those feats. Heck Vader could probably choke Ventress outright. As Vader he can jump pretty damn high, he has excellent reflexes and has defeated superior opponents to before. EDIT: Here is a good showing, moves in a blink of an eye. And he's said to have moved as fast as Yoda. EDIT: And here is Vader jumping pretty damn high, at least as high as Anakin ever has. Edited May 13, 2014 by Beniboybling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MajinEddie Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Vader lost a lot of midaclorianse when he lost his limes. Aniken had the potential to be the one. Vader was just a second rate sith lord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Honestly, I've always considered Vader the superior individual. He's simply Anakin with a great deal more control and refinement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sadishist Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 I have played both....and? https://digital.darkhorse.com/profile/4700.star-wars-darth-vader-and-the-cry-of-shadows-1-5/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted May 14, 2014 Author Share Posted May 14, 2014 Vader lost a lot of midaclorianse when he lost his limes. Aniken had the potential to be the one. Vader was just a second rate sith lord.Potential is just that, potential. Its more than possible that Vader could have achieved more power than he did as Anakin, but still never reached his full potential. Its even been questioned whether his loss of limbs hindered this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted May 14, 2014 Author Share Posted May 14, 2014 Honestly, I've always considered Vader the superior individual. He's simply Anakin with a great deal more control and refinement.Well if this is all folks have got to back up their claims... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tunewalker Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Well if this is all folks have got to back up their claims... I think its considering how much conversation about Vader is done, most of us arent wanting to dig up a bunch of information on this subject from other posts or the sources and such, its just a lot of stuff with this character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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