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toyfanatic
12.30.2017 , 01:58 PM | #11
[QUOTE=Dorowena;9506365]
Quote: Originally Posted by LordTurin View Post
Maybe he didn't answer the exact question you asked, but ..../QUOTE]

Q: Do you want salt or pepper?
A: Tangerines! - Answering a question with a random saying makes you come off as a tard.

There is a lot of information on rotations, there is even more about it than i want to read. There is NONE on the % .

I asked about the % not tangerines, so please stay on topic and could i ask what your % numbers are?

If not please do not reply
dude, I see your point. THAT WASN'T YOUR QUESTION. But,Your ripping a guy who is trying to tell you WHY you are dying. Its not your gear. It's your lack of knowledge. Unlike other MMO's where tanking is all blocking and taunting with a few mechanics, tanking in swtor is very active. Its not hard to loose agro or die from a pooly understood mechanic in this game. He was trying to help you avoid the embaresment of being kicked from group because they dubbed you a bad tank. With bolters in his game stats mean jack. When you get to HM/Vet/NIM ( if ever.....) stats are more important, just remember those raid groups expect you to have the fight mechanics mastered before you join them. just a thought I leave you to think about.

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Yezzan
01.13.2018 , 05:35 AM | #12
Shadow tanking requires the most skill, of the three tanking classes (not counting mirrors); this is why the first poster pointed out your skill deficit because your gear is not the most important factor for "easy" content. A deception assassin with a shield generator can tank most master mode FP, providing the healer is competent and the assassin is also competent.

Stats values are not really important if you are not looking at NiM raiding and 248 gear rating. The most important thing that you need is the 6 piece tank set bonus and a shield generator.

The game is not hard to the point where you need to be crunching numbers to be effective. The numbers crunching comes in to play for Ranked PvP and master Mode Operators - - and if you suk, skill-wise.

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supertimtaf
01.13.2018 , 05:50 AM | #13
As a matter of stats, I only use one set of gear for NiM. Some might say it's not enough, but I do well with it so I don't really need more.
I'm trying to always stay above 55% of shield, I dump the rest of my stats into absorb (60% if I recall). With the new augments you'll receive plenty of Endurance as a bonus so there isn't really a need for that anymore. I try to avoid Defense rating as much as possible because of how useless it is 80% of the time. As such, I use LethalB mods instead of the standard one, for the extra hp and power they give. Note that I'm also using a dps saber as well as one critical implant (the other one is a tank one) so if you're just going for raw tanking you will definitely go above my stats. I don't recommend using those dps pieces until you really know what you're doing. Sin tanks can cheese most of the incoming damage when they know how to play, but it's hard. For the moment, you'll be better by using a full tank gear for now. Try to invest into those new augments asap, the endurance bonus is important when you'll be going into HM ops later.

Some other tips : watch out for your utility configuration, and know what every ability does. Most of them have multiple effects, learn all of them.
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viernedeuxieme
01.13.2018 , 06:31 AM | #14
Hey, as others said you could tank veteran and master flashpoints in less gear, even at sub-70 (except probably LI). (Recent events: I've tanked Manaan almost butt naked because I forgot to get my legacy gear before zoning in ) Gear matters very little in what you're looking at due to the generous bolster, and you don't need to start nitpicking unless you want to start raiding at HM and NiM. Set bonus pieces from Unassembled vendors and Galactic Command will do just fine.
I'm still gearing and it's all over the place, hunting down 248 set bonus pieces and high endurance mods especially but here are my numbers since you like them so much (ilvl 248):
Health: 133084
Armour rating: 11000
Damage Reduction: 42.46%
Defence Chance: 38.96%
Shield Chance: 45.90%
Shield Absorption: 47.90%
That being said, every tank is a special snowflake and finds different ways to make their gear work. However, Shadow and assassin tanks are especially dependent on the proper usage of defensive cooldowns so if you can't make that work, being geared isn't going to help you. If you are 'still getting hit kinda hard' then there's definitely something you're missing out on in terms of rotation. More so than other tank classes you need to know fights very well, especially since you don't have so much passive mitigation so you will need to know occasions on which you could use a specific DCD. You could get even more DCDs with some clicky relics and utilities but since you're adamant on not talking about that, I'll stop there.

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supertimtaf
01.13.2018 , 06:53 AM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by Dorowena View Post
Thank you so much!!!!

Ilvl230-
accuracy 111.00%
Health 101327
armor rating 10205
damage reduction 40.70%
defense chance 36.55%
shield chance 60.21%
shield absorption 31.35%

Think this will be set enough for master flash points?
Just saw your stats
31% absorption is just not enough.
As an indication, shield stat increase the number of time where you'll reduce the damage of a Force/Tech attack (almost every boss in this game has a Force or Tech burst)
Having 50% is nice, don't forget that Kinetic Ward gives you plenty of Shield rating, so you don't need to put as much as you would need on the other tank.
Your absorption is too low and it explains why you are taking so much damage.
As a reminder, your absorb rating indicates by how much a shielded attack will be reduced when it hits you.
Right now with those stats you don't mitigate enough when hit by a spike damage and that's the issue. Dump 10% of your shield rating into your absorb stat and you'll be way better at tanking for now.
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The_Unknown
03.05.2018 , 02:51 PM | #16
In regard to this thread, how do my percentages look?
Item rating 240
Health 121525
Armor rating 10715
Damage reduction 41.84%
Defense chance 38.62%
Shield chance 38.00%
Shield absorb 55.28%

I'm running a mix of shield and absorb augments, with Serendipitous Assault, and Focused Retribution relics with absorb augs. Am I missing something? Seem to be taking some good damage at times.

Thanks
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LordTurin
03.05.2018 , 03:06 PM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by The_Unknown View Post
In regard to this thread, how do my percentages look?
Item rating 240
Health 121525
Armor rating 10715
Damage reduction 41.84%
Defense chance 38.62%
Shield chance 38.00%
Shield absorb 55.28%

I'm running a mix of shield and absorb augments, with Serendipitous Assault, and Focused Retribution relics with absorb augs. Am I missing something? Seem to be taking some good damage at times.

Thanks
You'll want a much higher shield chance then you have. Probably swap 1 or 2 absorb enhancements or augments to shield. The problem with what you have now is that when you shield, you won't take a lot of damage, but you won't shield as much as you should, so you will take a lot of spiky damage. (Absorb is how much damage you don't take when you shield, so a high absorb is useless without a decent amount of shield).
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The_Unknown
03.05.2018 , 03:16 PM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by LordTurin View Post
You'll want a much higher shield chance then you have. Probably swap 1 or 2 absorb enhancements or augments to shield. The problem with what you have now is that when you shield, you won't take a lot of damage, but you won't shield as much as you should, so you will take a lot of spiky damage. (Absorb is how much damage you don't take when you shield, so a high absorb is useless without a decent amount of shield).
Cool, thanks, I will have to switch things around a little and see how that helps.
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tommytiger
03.06.2018 , 03:58 AM | #19
@OP going to make an assumption you know your class here. I personally have tanked master FPS and every single story mode operation in dps gear tank spec with a shield generator. Itís not hard and I e had zero deaths. But if you really want to know numbers. For hard mode brontes i cleared with 56.51% shield and 52.34% zero deaths clear it first time every tme
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