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Why are Ships and Guildships so pointless!!!

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Why are Ships and Guildships so pointless!!!

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robertthebard
06.20.2019 , 06:21 AM | #31
Quote: Originally Posted by Delani View Post
You have to see the bigger picture, sure you are a solo player but a lot of people that are into MMOs are into group content. Adding more purpose to guildships and ships provides a lot more group content for people and you dont even need to have misisons, just mix it with conquest and "owning territory". One main complaint about KOTET/KOTFE is that it felt like a single player story update and in an MMO that is not what people want. Not only was it a single player story, you werent even allowed to play with your friends while doing the story and for a lot of people that is very lonely. Giving players choice is the key to be honest, but not even that was offered to us. So what happened? People unsubbed and left the game. Having stuff to do with your friends helps MMOs and tbh the lack of ship content could help. There are seats in our personal ships for no reason, it feels lonely, you can customize it and why not add the "galactic star fighter" simulator and incorparate it with space exploration. It just adds to the universe and to SWTOR. This is just a suggestion and a wild idea that I thought about when comparing SWTOR to other MMOs because personally, SWTOR is one of my favorites and I would like it to be better but it is lacking. In my opinion one of the major places its lacking is in ships and the development of ships, ships are very iconic in Star Wars and has been in every Star Wars movie ever made. Focusing on ships for a while would only help, not hurt and they could give us the choice to choose whether or not to instant travel or just fly around in space with our friends.
I'm not referencing anything a comp may have said in a FP when I reference dialog in FPs. You spend a lot of time preaching that people need to see the big picture, or understand why people left. I've been here off and on for years, since Rise of the Hutt Cartel, I got here right on the heels of it's release. During my time here I've been a NiM Ops tank/dps/healer, and MM FP tank/dps/healer. Some friends from Aion came over with me, and left because the PvP is pointless. So you need to see the big picture, and get an understanding as to why people left, and while I'd imagine there are some that left because of how long it took to get their original crew back, some still don't have all of them, it's only related to the ship because the crew's not there.

I stay off the Fleet, and the starter planet zones because of the chat. I don't need to know who's doing who's mom, or hear how "Orange man bad", or "that Americans are bigots" from someone that spent the last five minutes spewing some of the most bigoted crap I've heard in a while about Americans. I'm not in a guild now because I play too sporadically, and most guilds have a "if you're gone this long, you're kicked" policy. I'm down with that, so I'm not joining any guilds, because frankly, I don't know if I'll be playing next month, or if I'll be busy with one of the other nearly 3 gigs of games I have installed across two platforms. I surely don't expect people to make an exception to that rule on my account. I could be gone for weeks, or months, or a year.

I'm not in and out because I can't fly my ship to a guild ship, I used to spacebar that cutscene, just like I do planetary landings. Nor am I in and out because I can't play the Wookiee or droid "class". I'm in and out because I have been here for years, and because I do have other games that I follow, and other games that I play, whether they're MMOs or not. When my current sub lapses, Sept's update may not even bring me back, I may be busy with the next new shiny, or saving my money for the next shiny, depending on what's coming up. So I do look at the big picture, only the picture I look at is larger than the one you seem to think I should be looking at.
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Also, just a small point. Why should anyone who plays this game exclusively for any particular type of content, have to run a different type of content just to earn gear? What is that attitude all about?

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Delani
06.20.2019 , 07:51 AM | #32
Quote: Originally Posted by robertthebard View Post
I'm not referencing anything a comp may have said in a FP when I reference dialog in FPs. You spend a lot of time preaching that people need to see the big picture, or understand why people left. I've been here off and on for years, since Rise of the Hutt Cartel, I got here right on the heels of it's release. During my time here I've been a NiM Ops tank/dps/healer, and MM FP tank/dps/healer. Some friends from Aion came over with me, and left because the PvP is pointless. So you need to see the big picture, and get an understanding as to why people left, and while I'd imagine there are some that left because of how long it took to get their original crew back, some still don't have all of them, it's only related to the ship because the crew's not there.

I stay off the Fleet, and the starter planet zones because of the chat. I don't need to know who's doing who's mom, or hear how "Orange man bad", or "that Americans are bigots" from someone that spent the last five minutes spewing some of the most bigoted crap I've heard in a while about Americans. I'm not in a guild now because I play too sporadically, and most guilds have a "if you're gone this long, you're kicked" policy. I'm down with that, so I'm not joining any guilds, because frankly, I don't know if I'll be playing next month, or if I'll be busy with one of the other nearly 3 gigs of games I have installed across two platforms. I surely don't expect people to make an exception to that rule on my account. I could be gone for weeks, or months, or a year.

I'm not in and out because I can't fly my ship to a guild ship, I used to spacebar that cutscene, just like I do planetary landings. Nor am I in and out because I can't play the Wookiee or droid "class". I'm in and out because I have been here for years, and because I do have other games that I follow, and other games that I play, whether they're MMOs or not. When my current sub lapses, Sept's update may not even bring me back, I may be busy with the next new shiny, or saving my money for the next shiny, depending on what's coming up. So I do look at the big picture, only the picture I look at is larger than the one you seem to think I should be looking at.
Ahh ok, the bigger picture is realizing the game and the MMO market/population is bigger than you and your personal interest. Thats all I was saying. Its also quesitoning why did SWTOR lose 80% of their sub base since launch when WoW and ESO have maintained stability?

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robertthebard
06.20.2019 , 09:42 AM | #33
Quote: Originally Posted by Delani View Post
Ahh ok, the bigger picture is realizing the game and the MMO market/population is bigger than you and your personal interest. Thats all I was saying. Its also quesitoning why did SWTOR lose 80% of their sub base since launch when WoW and ESO have maintained stability?
That's hilarious. WoW has bled off tons of subs, but they're so big you may not notice, and ESO? ESO's launch was a complete disaster, I seem to recall. They've since ironed it out, I canceled my sub there to play here, since I can only maintain subs in one MMO at a time, but they took a big hit too, and I'll bet a lot of the people that left because they expected Skyrim online haven't returned.

So I seem to recall reading that you've been playing PC based games for about 4 years? In that 4 years, you're suddenly more knowledgeable about why people have left or stayed in MMOs than the people that have been around since the launches of said MMOs? You have a perception of why you think they left, and while it may be a part of the equation, you're far from grasping the big picture. You may benefit from reading back to the beginning of these forums, or going back a few years in time to read what was actually going on.
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Also, just a small point. Why should anyone who plays this game exclusively for any particular type of content, have to run a different type of content just to earn gear? What is that attitude all about?

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Rion_Starkiller
06.20.2019 , 09:56 AM | #34
I still don't understand why our ships don't have hooks. They should have been the first "stronghold" in my opinion.
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Delani
06.20.2019 , 10:07 AM | #35
Quote: Originally Posted by robertthebard View Post
That's hilarious. WoW has bled off tons of subs, but they're so big you may not notice, and ESO? ESO's launch was a complete disaster, I seem to recall. They've since ironed it out, I canceled my sub there to play here, since I can only maintain subs in one MMO at a time, but they took a big hit too, and I'll bet a lot of the people that left because they expected Skyrim online haven't returned.

So I seem to recall reading that you've been playing PC based games for about 4 years? In that 4 years, you're suddenly more knowledgeable about why people have left or stayed in MMOs than the people that have been around since the launches of said MMOs? You have a perception of why you think they left, and while it may be a part of the equation, you're far from grasping the big picture. You may benefit from reading back to the beginning of these forums, or going back a few years in time to read what was actually going on.
ESO had a bad launch but bounced right back up and exactly, WoW may have lost subs but the game ihas so many players it doesnt matter or ruin the MMO experience. SWTOR has not made a comeback and the question is why? Why is SWTOR sub count much lower than other MMOs?

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Delani
06.20.2019 , 10:07 AM | #36
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I still don't understand why our ships don't have hooks. They should have been the first "stronghold" in my opinion.
I completly agree

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kodrac
06.20.2019 , 10:44 AM | #37
SWTOR: Jump To Lightspeed coming 2025 or soon™, whichever comes first.
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I’d find it hard to believe this sort of thing goes on in the preferential treatment forum.

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DarkTergon
06.20.2019 , 11:22 AM | #38
Haven't read all the messages, because it just looks like walls of letters.....lol
So if I repeat anything, it's always good

1. Personal ships should be customisable, like mini s/h's. I've unlocked everything on the ship, but would also like to be able to have extra stuff there, and have it, as I think it should look.

2. Space based missions, something akin to SWG would be cool. When Starfighter was announced I was excited till I found out it was just pvp.

3. being able to fly your ship around, even if not in mission would be fairly cool, you could do that in SWG, and was fun.
No Idea if people use these, but if so, here's my referral link
http://www.swtor.com/r/jFXFFQ

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Delani
06.20.2019 , 11:50 AM | #39
Quote: Originally Posted by DarkTergon View Post
Haven't read all the messages, because it just looks like walls of letters.....lol
So if I repeat anything, it's always good

1. Personal ships should be customisable, like mini s/h's. I've unlocked everything on the ship, but would also like to be able to have extra stuff there, and have it, as I think it should look.

2. Space based missions, something akin to SWG would be cool. When Starfighter was announced I was excited till I found out it was just pvp.

3. being able to fly your ship around, even if not in mission would be fairly cool, you could do that in SWG, and was fun.
I like all your points lol, it would be cool add so much more to the game and feel of the game. Not only that, people would create their own fun within that addition.

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UmbralSpirit
06.20.2019 , 12:45 PM | #40
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soon™.
Is that you John Smedley?