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I want my Dps sin back. Any hope for a viable sin in 6.0

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I want my Dps sin back. Any hope for a viable sin in 6.0

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MrRuck
01.03.2019 , 02:21 PM | #41
Quote: Originally Posted by Majspuffen View Post
What Bioware did to the spec in 2.0 was criminal.
I still remember the massive backlash on the 2.0 PTS that they completely ignored. 1.7 Madness Assassin will always remain the most interesting spec in this game. Rest in Peace.

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Majspuffen
01.03.2019 , 02:58 PM | #42
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I had a discussion a year or so ago with someone about this very thing. They told me I misremembered Shadow Strike as part of the rotation. Glad to see I was right! It's hard to remember the ancient times. This is back when Serenity Strike didn't even exist, right?
Correct Serenity Strike was kind of a late addition, but a good one. The spec really needed another button to click.

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I still remember the massive backlash on the 2.0 PTS that they completely ignored. 1.7 Madness Assassin will always remain the most interesting spec in this game. Rest in Peace.
Couldn't agree more, R.I.P. ...

Current Balance/Serenity/Madness/Hatred is a band-aid, though. It kind of has the same buttons, but not the same synergy. Not at all.

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DarthSealth
01.03.2019 , 05:16 PM | #43
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Please check the videos in my post above yours, think you may find them interesting.

I think our force management was way better in classic SWTOR. Sadly, however, I don't think they could ever go back to that system. If they did we'd have far too much force regen.
I will have to take a look I never played hatred in is glory days I was too busy being a smash monkey when fury was called rage ha
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DaddyDespacito
01.24.2019 , 03:01 AM | #44
Isn’t hatred sin still the best pressure spec in the game? With star parse on I’ve seen my dps peak at 71k when I dot spread and use the recklessness> death field combo. I feel like it can still pressure healers to the point where its other weaknesses are justifiable from a balancing perspective. I mean 13k dps games are no joke. Even if it’s “fluff” it will still invalidate a healer and open up doors for hardswap.
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Rion_Starkiller
01.25.2019 , 02:47 PM | #45
Underrated spec, imo. It eradicates sub 30 targets especially (pun intended).
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Majspuffen
02.01.2019 , 03:02 AM | #46
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Isn’t hatred sin still the best pressure spec in the game? With star parse on I’ve seen my dps peak at 71k when I dot spread and use the recklessness> death field combo. I feel like it can still pressure healers to the point where its other weaknesses are justifiable from a balancing perspective. I mean 13k dps games are no joke. Even if it’s “fluff” it will still invalidate a healer and open up doors for hardswap.
I can agree that the weaknesses are justifiable, I just don't like the direction the spec has gone. Serenity always had AoE pressure, but we had this AoE pressure at the cost of burst. Today the AoE pressure is out of hand and it feels like it has been at the cost of our single-target sustained damage. I had a game yesterday when I got 7,5k dps. It's nowhere near 13k but it was the highest I've seen since returning to the game (in December) and it was a game where I was allowed to DoT-spread a lot. But I didn't get many kills, truth be told. In fact, I got 1 kill, and the enemy team only had 2 healers. When I didn't spread my DoTs I focused on attacking them but it was to little avail. They both had 0 deaths.

Consider the changes that Force in Balance/Death Field has gone through; it used to strike three targets in the past and was then buffed to five and then buffed to eight. The Force Suppression/Deathmark charges it applied used to be a 10 stack but today it's 15 stacks. It was impossible to make use of all the Force Suppression stacks unless the DoTs could be spread faster, so they implement that and for a while (I believe it was in early 3.x or late 2.x) Serenity was overpowered because Force in Balance would spread the DoTs. To balance this they reduced its range from 30 meters to 10! And, in their words, because of how powerful DoT-spreading was they also had to reduce the radius of the ability from 8 meters to 5 meters...

Consider also that Force Suppression charges, when consumed, would return a bit of Force, meaning our Force regeneration was much smoother back in the day. We lost this in 2.0 and they haven't really done anything to make the generation smoother; we're still forced to fall back on saber strike every so often. So, yeah, DoT-spreading is powerful but it has contributed to so many changes that has just made the spec more boring. The design in 1.x was elegant; Force in Balance would hit three targets and debuff them because that was as many targets the player was likely to be able to keep DoTs on and if they did this they were rewarded with a burst of force regeneration which made their sustained damage higher. That's good design.

DoT-spreading isn't.

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Rion_Starkiller
02.01.2019 , 11:52 AM | #47
I don't feel like taking my 5.x Shadows and Sins into ranked nowadays. I got silver in S7 ranked on my serenity shadow. Looking back, S7 ended with the 5.0 expansion. Back then, merc/mandos were free kills, maras weren't so stronk, and sage/sorc heals were way OP. It's not that Serenity/Hatred was better back then, it's just that now the class balance is heavily tuned toward melee burst and godmode DCD buttons and defensives.

So I guess we serenity shadows are fine, but don't ask us to quickly 1v1 a side node anymore. It's considerably more difficult in this meta. May as well go infiltration.
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DzastinBiberi
02.06.2019 , 07:28 AM | #48
They buchered sins dps burst for no reason at all.

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McIavegli
02.18.2019 , 08:47 AM | #49
Hello there,
I've come back again in the game after two years and I've tried to figure out tha greater changes in Assassins but I have some confusion.

Since I don't want to spec it as a tank, I can't understand what's the current best PVE oriented build between Hatred and Deception.
I know I know that a perfect answer could be: "play your favourite one" but I don't want to use an underpowered character just becuase I'm used to one particoular build. I know also that Sin has been nerfed from the last time I used it, but no problem, that's how these games work.

So, in the end, what's better? I can't find an updated guide on dulfy. What to do?
Thank you
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invertioN
02.18.2019 , 10:14 AM | #50
Quote: Originally Posted by McIavegli View Post
Hello there,
I've come back again in the game after two years and I've tried to figure out tha greater changes in Assassins but I have some confusion.

Since I don't want to spec it as a tank, I can't understand what's the current best PVE oriented build between Hatred and Deception.
I know I know that a perfect answer could be: "play your favourite one" but I don't want to use an underpowered character just becuase I'm used to one particoular build. I know also that Sin has been nerfed from the last time I used it, but no problem, that's how these games work.

So, in the end, what's better? I can't find an updated guide on dulfy. What to do?
Thank you
Hatred is a bit better, but in general they are both average at best so if you have a big dislike towards Hatred then play Deception.
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