GrandLordMenace Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 (edited) You desire more power... good. This is meant to be the ultimate Vig/Vengeance PVE resource for people playing Alacrity Builds. It's always a work in progress and will never be fully completed. Anything from parses, screenshots, anecdotes, or testimonials are welcome. The end goal of the guide is to get the player to wear the Vigilance and Vengeance Discipline like a glove. Through rigorous analysis of the interlocking mechanics behind the Discipline, you can unlock it's true potential and be well on your way to becoming a HM/NiM progression quality DPS. http://dulfy.net/2016/12/30/swtor-5-0-vigilance-guardian-pve-guide-by-rydarus/ Sound off in the thread with feedback. https://www.docdroid.net/DK28Hso/50vengeancejuggernautguide.pdf.html Veng Translation, may have some errors, be sure to cross reference. Edited June 23, 2017 by GrandLordMenace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simcity Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Hey guys. Only Guardian side is being worked on ATM this weekend jugg will be finished. Rassist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LtBombshell Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Sweet! Thanks, I can't wait for the rest of the guides to go up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandLordMenace Posted December 4, 2014 Author Share Posted December 4, 2014 Sweet! Thanks, I can't wait for the rest of the guides to go up. It was up since day 1 but everyone was PMing me about it so I made a separate thread that said 3.0 in the title Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hornakkan Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 (edited) I fear that getting back to 100% Accuracy will be at the cost of some Surge. Edited December 6, 2014 by Hornakkan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veSev Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 I fear that getting back to 100% Accuracy will be at the cost of some Power/Crit. 2 different stat slots on gear boss. Accuracy is same slot as Surge and Alacrity. Power and Crit are in the same slot. But with crafted 186 Enhancements, it takes 7 Accuracy slots plus 1 186 Augment to hit the 100% mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pieceofjunk Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 I am sure it is a work in progress but you still list the +3% accuracy talent in your guide and these no longer exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hornakkan Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 2 different stat slots on gear boss. Accuracy is same slot as Surge and Alacrity. Power and Crit are in the same slot. But with crafted 186 Enhancements, it takes 7 Accuracy slots plus 1 186 Augment to hit the 100% mark. Oops I meant Surge ... I'm gonna edit the previous post Did anyone test Alacrity so far ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veSev Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 Oops I meant Surge ... I'm gonna edit the previous post Did anyone test Alacrity so far ? Did and found no benefit from it compared to Surge. It makes the MS clipping strange, but then again others may like the faster paced rotation. I suggest trying it for yourself compared to taking my word for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darth_psychose Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 (edited) thanks for your guide full augment + dread master's set + rusaan relic (99.60 accuracy & 70.48 surge ) screen before 3.0 with dread master full & dread forged MH & relic i was 4043DPS. Edited December 6, 2014 by darth_psychose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silentcricket Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 (edited) To waste any slot on Acc with a Shien user is pointless. You should go power crit and surge. Those are you're three stats to go after. Acc is for Juyo or Aturu. Why do you think they changed riposte around? So you guys can waste mod slots just so you don't need to use it? You should be trying to power through ones defense not go around it. Edited December 6, 2014 by Silentcricket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandLordMenace Posted December 6, 2014 Author Share Posted December 6, 2014 To waste any slot on Acc with a Shien user is pointless. You should go power crit and surge. Those are you're three stats to go after. Acc is for Juyo or Aturu. Why do you think they changed riposte around? So you guys can waste mod slots just so you don't need to use it? You should be trying to power through ones defense not go around it. Uhm.... So many things wrong with this statement. Focus has riposte enabled in it's rotation, and Vigilance doesn't have the resource for it, plus all your abilities in rotation do more damage. Try again idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandLordMenace Posted December 6, 2014 Author Share Posted December 6, 2014 thanks for your guide full augment + dread master's set + rusaan relic (99.60 accuracy & 70.48 surge ) screen before 3.0 with dread master full & dread forged MH & relic i was 4043DPS. Yeah I'm doing about 4100 ATM but running a full ACC build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veSev Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 To waste any slot on Acc with a Shien user is pointless. You should go power crit and surge. Those are you're three stats to go after. Acc is for Juyo or Aturu. Why do you think they changed riposte around? So you guys can waste mod slots just so you don't need to use it? You should be trying to power through ones defense not go around it. Try doing this then make this statement.....I am sure you'll find the exact opposite to be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tovbot Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 How much accuracy is needed to reach 100%? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silentcricket Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 (edited) Lol. Thanks for the insult. Gotta love people who dislike being confronted with change. Never said replace riposte with one of your abilities. I said, look at the change they made. If you miss you can use it to make up the dps you loss. I said also, Acc is isn't a prime stat you should be stacking. If you feel Acc is key for Shien/Djem So you're wrong. If you're stacking Acc over Power Strenth Crit or Surge go play a Juyo/Aturu user since they require it. So many people on these forums using the wrong forms and cry about dps and its know wonder why. PS. Grand lord who said anything about Focus tree? Post is Vig. Thanks for calling me an idiot. Edited December 7, 2014 by Silentcricket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TACeMossie Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Lol. Thanks for the insult. Gotta love people who dislike being confronted with change. Never said replace riposte with one of your abilities. I said, look at the change they made. If you miss you can use it to make up the dps you loss. I said also, Acc is isn't a prime stat you should be stacking. If you feel Acc is key for Shien/Djem So you're wrong. If you're stacking Acc over Power Strenth Crit or Surge go play a Juyo/Aturu user since they require it. So many people on these forums using the wrong forms and cry about dps and its know wonder why. If you miss a Plasma Brand, Master Strike, Overhead Slash, Dispatch, Blade Storm, Vigilant Thrust, Saber Throw, Force Push, force stasis, or Sundering Strike, the loss of damage will be far worse than the damage gained by using riposte. Deliberately getting no accuracy so you can use riposte is outright stupid. Oh wait, those are the only abilities you use as a vigilance guardian! It is a MUST HAVE REQUIREMENT for a DPS to have 100% accuracy. REGARDLESS OF SPEC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veSev Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 How much accuracy is needed to reach 100%? For 186s, 7 Accuracy slots + 1 186 Acc Augment will get you 100.08% Lol. Thanks for the insult. Gotta love people who dislike being confronted with change. Never said replace riposte with one of your abilities. I said, look at the change they made. If you miss you can use it to make up the dps you loss. I said also, Acc is isn't a prime stat you should be stacking. If you feel Acc is key for Shien/Djem So you're wrong. If you're stacking Acc over Power Strenth Crit or Surge go play a Juyo/Aturu user since they require it. So many people on these forums using the wrong forms and cry about dps and its know wonder why. PS. Grand lord who said anything about Focus tree? Post is Vig. Thanks for calling me an idiot. Think you playing a different game my friend. Gear is a matter of interpretation in many aspects, but if you fail to hit the boss with your heavy hitters than stacking Surge, which is the only stat you mentioned in the same slot as Accuracy, means nothing. Riposte's roughly 3k damage doesn't compare to a 7-10k hit from Overhead Slash or the 15k you get from Master Strike's channel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darth_psychose Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 i'm going to try 6 x 102 accuracy + 2 x augment accuracy 186 (99.60) & 3 augment surge 186 (1st & 2nd earn +1.2% surge and the 3rd earn +1% surge) and 1820 force bonus damage/25% melee crit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joran-Koon Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 (edited) This game is based in lore but does not treat it like a literal bible to follow bro. Best to stop now before you hurt yourself. Not 100% on board with a few things in the guide Rydarus but its a good intro to the specs. Also, your missing a link to the calculator in the vig section. Edited December 8, 2014 by Joran-Koon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MASOLIZ Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Veng plz:D didn't read it all so maybe I missed it but don't play pub much so no max lvl toons there, when you get around to it, it'd be awesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joran-Koon Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Veng plz:D didn't read it all so maybe I missed it but don't play pub much so no max lvl toons there, when you get around to it, it'd be awesome Only Guardian side is being worked on ATM this weekend jugg will be finished. Don't think it's done yet bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandLordMenace Posted December 8, 2014 Author Share Posted December 8, 2014 Don't think it's done yet bro. I finished the rough draft which is infact already up there, by next weekend the tables that show abilities properly in sequence will be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MASOLIZ Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 I finished the rough draft which is infact already up there, by next weekend the tables that show abilities properly in sequence will be done. Oh no rush, just meant when you get around to it is all:o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandLordMenace Posted December 8, 2014 Author Share Posted December 8, 2014 Oh no rush, just meant when you get around to it is all:o Priority system and opener is already up there. In regards to the opener, I am fully aware of the opener that uses sundering strike instead of Combat Focus, don't necessarily like it and even with the new set bonus I was doing more with a traditional opener, and I honestly don't think the 2% boost to damage is significant enough to be worth delaying hard hitters for, especially since relics are so RNGish to proc, and if they proc early in that opener you can only get 1 real ability inside it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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