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I hate how they've done switching factions

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I hate how they've done switching factions

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MikeCobalt
06.24.2019 , 04:32 PM | #21
This wont be easy or smooth and certainly wont wrap itself up in just one or two more updates adding to the already too long waits between updates and too small content amounts. What about L.I.'s? some are fanatically set in their original faction, do they Mindlessly follow us to their enemy's side or do they maintain their default principles and break off from the player? BW offered more then they could sustain with the Zakuul stories and complicated that with more Iokath options, each tangling the various player directions more then before, now not so much 2 story directions but 4, or 2 with uncomfortably edited dialog options to fit all and not specifically derived. A big Mess.

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IoNonSoEVero
06.24.2019 , 04:48 PM | #22
I am also wondering how they plan to handle it with the LIs. All of the KOTFE ones are problematic to one or both factions. I can't see the Jedi Council reacting well if you show up and tell them you married a Sith. Or either faction being comfortable with Arcann. Among the vanilla companions I do think there are those who would walk if they discovered their LI was a saboteur. Elara Dorne, certainly. Probably Jorgan, too. Kira. Possibly Raina. Quinn's very loyal to the SW but I think even he would object and walk if the PC ended up blowing the Empire to bits. There's also the point that with the exception of Theron and Lana you can't even tell the LI you're a saboteur, so now you're lying to them too.

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MandFlurry
06.24.2019 , 08:52 PM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by kodrac View Post
Lighten up, Francis. He's talking about game design where switching factions would change classes, skills, animations and companions.
I apologize for my stupidity then.
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Esron
06.25.2019 , 05:11 AM | #24
could just make a quest line to swap factions, absolutly no need to swap skills or anything, its just switching from one side to the other. the real issue lies in you couldnt do it before around lvl 60 or just do it when you start up kotfe stuff since all quests are the same from that point on. (story wise it would just be the same really for the class, sorc becomes sage and sage becomes sorc. so its just a matter of a switch in the railroad tracks ( i know its no small feat to pull this off, but for frag sake, this is star wars... this SHOULD be something that is in the game, as well as you killing of your master to become lord etc etc, failing to become jedi gets you exiled or even banished, i mean this is what this whole religion thing evolves about but in this game we cant even walk on to unhollow/hallowed ground even if we did the saboteur quest... )

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RakiaTime
06.25.2019 , 05:42 AM | #25
personally i like it but i do wish we could go further and openly support our new faction, almost all of my characters would be switching sides. On the other hand i understand if its technically impossible but i wonder if there is a compromise, for sub lvl70 content that is already in the game you count towards your original faction, for new content you count towards whatever faction you chose, so you get access to both fleets, both home worlds and so on but you cant do the old planetary story arcs and side missions for your new faction

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IoNonSoEVero
06.25.2019 , 06:14 AM | #26
I'm wondering why they cannot continue doing what they did on Iokath, especially since the questlines have us on new planets/areas. On Iokath you got to use the base for the faction you supported and got to do their quests, but it didn't affect any other planets. They came up with a plausible excuse for your still being able to access your old faction's fleet. No switching abilities, no switching sides for every planet, but you got to support whomever you wanted, openly.

It would be a pain to figure out how to make this work on the old planets (ie, how does a former Jedi go to an Imperial base on Alderaan without getting attacked) but since we're talking new planets, I wonder why they cannot program them like Iokath.

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RakiaTime
06.25.2019 , 06:20 AM | #27
Quote: Originally Posted by IoNonSoEVero View Post
I'm wondering why they cannot continue doing what they did on Iokath, especially since the questlines have us on new planets/areas. On Iokath you got to use the base for the faction you supported and got to do their quests, but it didn't affect any other planets. They came up with a plausible excuse for your still being able to access your old faction's fleet. No switching abilities, no switching sides for every planet, but you got to support whomever you wanted, openly.

It would be a pain to figure out how to make this work on the old planets (ie, how does a former Jedi go to an Imperial base on Alderaan without getting attacked) but since we're talking new planets, I wonder why they cannot program them like Iokath.
im thinking thats what they will do eventually, either during onslaught or in its aftermath. Also timeline wise it would make no sense for them to change old planets so no need to worry about that. If you are at this point of the timeline im sorry but you dont get to switch sides and invade Corellia again

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06.25.2019 , 06:22 AM | #28
Quote: Originally Posted by IoNonSoEVero View Post
I am also wondering how they plan to handle it with the LIs. All of the KOTFE ones are problematic to one or both factions. I can't see the Jedi Council reacting well if you show up and tell them you married a Sith. Or either faction being comfortable with Arcann. Among the vanilla companions I do think there are those who would walk if they discovered their LI was a saboteur. Elara Dorne, certainly. Probably Jorgan, too. Kira. Possibly Raina. Quinn's very loyal to the SW but I think even he would object and walk if the PC ended up blowing the Empire to bits. There's also the point that with the exception of Theron and Lana you can't even tell the LI you're a saboteur, so now you're lying to them too.
*SPOILERS BELOW*

I think there would have to be consequences with your LIs or else it would just be plain weird. In addition to the ones you mentioned above, I can't see Nadia sticking with the consular if he goes to the Empire. I also just can't imagine Theron would be okay with it in the long run; he hated Saresh, but overall he's a Republic man right down the line. And what about Dark Jaesa? No way she'd hang with the Republic--they won't let her kill everything in sight. Doc fought against the Empire on Balmorra so I wouldn't think he'd follow a saboteur JK to the enemy--same with Corso, who hated the Imps for supporting the Seps on Ord Mantell. Other LIs like Kaliyo (no morals whatsoever), Andronikos (although he did hate the Republic once), possibly Torian (he's more of a laid back surfer dude Mando), Mako, Vette, and Risha might not mind so much which faction their main squeeze is siding with. Maybe Lana, too. Or I could be totally wrong. Whatever the case, I do expect people will be losing LIs for their decisions--look at how they took Elara away if you blew up Zakuul.

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IoNonSoEVero
06.25.2019 , 06:26 AM | #29
Quote: Originally Posted by RakiaTime View Post
im thinking thats what they will do eventually, either during onslaught or in its aftermath. Also timeline wise it would make no sense for them to change old planets so no need to worry about that. If you are at this point of the timeline im sorry but you dont get to switch sides and invade Corellia again
Yeah, it's expected that by the time you finish KOTET you've done your class story, planetary areas and bonus series.

The only places I could see it being weird for older planets would be for things like heroics and some of the daily areas, which a lot of players grind. But those are at an earlier point in the timeline anyway so even now if you do them, they're technically out of continuity. The daily areas also seem to have the same common enemy even when the quests are different (ie, Black Hole, everyone's fighting Torvix), so that can be overlooked.

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Goreshaga
06.26.2019 , 02:11 AM | #30
I don't really like it either.
Playing the saboteur could work for my AI who became a double agent at the end of her class story and for my SI who's a sneaky guy and hates the Empire.
My BH was never an imperial to begin with and became a Madalorian during her class story, so the saboteur thing doesn't really make sense, especially since the Mandalorians are with the Alliance.
And my SW, she's not really suited for spy games, she'd rather openly fight against the Empire.

That being said, if that was an option, all my characters would rather be their own faction than being with either the Empire or Republic.

Quote: Originally Posted by ThomasStarWars View Post
In my opinion, if you choose the faction at character creation. You should be locked to it forever. Story wise, game play wise. Only time I'd think it would work is if they added the tokens to switch factions like in WoW.
Except that storywise all characters can have valid reasons to dislike their original faction and be willing to switch sides.
You can even choose to become an actual SIS double agent at the end of the IA story.
Why give these options if you're still forced to work for a faction your character despises ?
Forcing evryone back to their original faction would make half of my main characters unplayable for me

Quote: Originally Posted by IoNonSoEVero View Post
I am also wondering how they plan to handle it with the LIs. All of the KOTFE ones are problematic to one or both factions. I can't see the Jedi Council reacting well if you show up and tell them you married a Sith. Or either faction being comfortable with Arcann. Among the vanilla companions I do think there are those who would walk if they discovered their LI was a saboteur. Elara Dorne, certainly. Probably Jorgan, too. Kira. Possibly Raina. Quinn's very loyal to the SW but I think even he would object and walk if the PC ended up blowing the Empire to bits. There's also the point that with the exception of Theron and Lana you can't even tell the LI you're a saboteur, so now you're lying to them too.
I'm wondering that as well.
I'm not sure even Theron and Lana would be ok with their lover burning their original faction to the ground in the long run. It's pretty obvious that both of them are still attached to the Republic and Empire.
I can't see Dorne who is an imperial deserter willing to go back to the Empire or Jorgan willing to serve the Empire, he didn't like Saresh and what she did to the Republic but still likes the Republic more than the Empire.
And some LIs have very valid reasons to dislike one of the 2 factions.
Some other may not care that much like Vette or Torian.

Quote: Originally Posted by IoNonSoEVero View Post
I'm wondering why they cannot continue doing what they did on Iokath, especially since the questlines have us on new planets/areas. On Iokath you got to use the base for the faction you supported and got to do their quests, but it didn't affect any other planets.
I really wish they did that for Ossus as well. If you sided with the Republic no matter your original faction you get to protect the colony, and if you sided with the Empire, no matter your original faction, you get to attack it.
In need of more Arcann, Aric, Torian, Vector, and a lot, lot, lot more Theron.
There's nothing like geting too much Theron

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