CorellianWannabe Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 Yeah but that's okay. They realized their mistake. At this point they just can't fix it enough to make all of the fuss pots happy. I'm sure they rush through a lot of stuff. They are really busy with ME3 and SWTOR going at once. They deserve a little grace. Lol. I'm sure they would fix it completely if they could. They are run by different departments-the only connection is the crap at the end portion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yaesive Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 Thanks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xaeonis Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 This probably should have been what the promotion was in the first place, but I for one am disappointed in the caving to the whiners. The self entitlement of people is ridiculous. Amen brother. Its AMAZING what people will whine about until they get their way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorellianWannabe Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 (edited) Amen brother. Its AMAZING what people will whine about until they get their way. You mean like the agent nerfs, the sorceror nerfs, the overall healing nerfs, the apparent end of the world caused by no ranked warzones-yea it's amazing what people whine about. Too bad this game had to have pvp at all-that would end a lot of the whining right there. And let's not forget the 'my comp can't download the patch properly!' whine. Edited April 14, 2012 by CorellianWannabe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CygnusMX Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 (edited) Amen brother. Its AMAZING what people will whine about until they get their way. You remember typing this up? I think this is called Whineing Ide hate to see your reaction if you pre-orderedand had a consistant sub since launch lol These are my major problems with the game right now. I started on March 13th, and promptly bought the game one the 16th because of how much I was enjoying it. Since then, I still get massive FPS drops, some get to the point where its nigh unplayable. The AH is a MESS of code that can only be described as a cluster-fsck of stupidity. Ive had my companion just randomly DIE a NUMBER of times. Combat log? Whats that? Oh wait, I cant see what Ive been killed by or how much damage it did to me. Channeled stun = mobs can still hit you in a brief moment WHILE BEING STUNNED. I look at this game, and I see SO MANY elements copy and pasted from other MMOs out there and SUCH GREAT IDEAS turned to utter crap simply because someone said 'I like this, but lets do it half-assed'. I still have 15 days left in my sub, and Im finally lvl 50, but cant even do some of my dailies because the quests are bugged to crap. I dont even DARE use the AH to buy things I need because I cant STAND to look at it and try and figure out WHERE IT IS I WANT or surf through the PAGES to find ONE TYPE of item that isnt there. The sad part? I love this game. The storyline IMMERSED me in a character I THOROUGHLY enjoyed. I did things I would LOVE to do...and yet, here I am. These stories are not enough to hold out against a crappy UI, terrible almost game-shattering gameplay, LACK of support, BUGGED quests, and LACK of features that have existed in MMOs since EQ which I played on a 56k modem! I cant express how much I WANT to keep playing and WANT to love this game but every time I log in and try and do something menial, I get hit with FPS drops/lag/and a slowly building rage that my companion comes back from a crew mission, CLOSES EVERYTHING I HAVE OPEN AND FORCES ME TO ACCEPT (AND THE VOICE DOESNT EVEN MATCH UP!). Little things, and somewhat big things. These are the things that make this MMO disgusting. Edited April 14, 2012 by CygnusMX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xaeonis Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 You mean like the agent nerfs, the sorceror nerfs, the overall healing nerfs, the apparent end of the world caused by no ranked warzones-yea it's amazing what people whine about. Too bad this game had to have pvp at all-that would end a lot of the whining right there. Ohman, dont get me started. I know a lot of this game was rushed into release. Hell, theres a lot about this game I would DEFINITELY change to better it for the people playing, AND for the people developing it. But man. This really takes the cake. The original idea was 30 days free time for people who have a level 50, possibly raided, or didnt, and have been FORCED to sit with that 50 for god knows how long and enjoy the lack of end-game content. Which means, new characters. Okay, seems fair right? Yeah, theyve raised a character to 50, got there, said 'hey, this is cool, but now I have nothing to do'. To which the devs said 'hey, we know this, thats why we're giving you an extra 30 days free so it gives us some leeway time to make new content for people and improve the game youve already put time and effort into 'beating''. Sure. Makes sense. Then. THEN. THEN - its starts. WAAHHHH WAHHHH IM NOT LEVEL 50 YET!!IVE BEEN PLAYING SINCE LAUNCH AND GET TIRED OF MY CHARACTERS SO I CHOSE NOT TO GET TO 50 AND IM BEING PUNISHEDMY $15 IS JUST AS GOOD AS HIS $15I HAVE REAL LIFE STUFF TO TAKE CARE OF AND CANT PLAY ALL OF THE TIME HOW DO THEY EXPECT ME TO GET TO 50??ETC ETC... Honestly, those who have said 'damage control' are right. BW made the right move, or at least, they made a good move awarding those who made it to 50 and dont have anything to do - and now they are having to put out the Customer Service Fires of people whining and complaining. Dont get me wrong - Im glad they expanding their 'free time' to include the legacy model - which is what they shouldve done in the first place - but it doesnt give every dog and their cat the right to come to the forums and SCREAM 'UNFAIR!" when it doesnt include them. At this point, you might as well give EVERYONE a free month just because, "BW LUVS J00". It almost SICKENS me to see this. Im having trouble patching, and BEEN having trouble patching...but Im not here SCREAMING for a free day. No, Im GLAD they gave me one and Im HAPPY about it, but I am IN NO WAY ENTITLED to it. Thats my rant. Hopefully this patch stuff finishes and I can get back into the game - if not - OHWELL. THATS LIFE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandarOrdo Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 They are run by different departments-the only connection is the crap at the end portion. Yeah, I know that. It's still related though to a degree. I don't agree that any of what they have done is crap....just not as good as it could have been done. Aside from the ME3 ending. But that's a different story entirely. Besides...nothing's perfect, and we can't expect it to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xaeonis Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 (edited) You remember typing this up? I think this is called Whineing Theres a difference between being frustrated with a game in its current state... AND... Moaning until someone gives me something because I dont have it! My forum post on the state of this game is based around the problems WITHIN it, and has NOTHING TO DO with someone getting a 'free month' and me not getting it, or someone getting 'better items' because they were able to do something I wasnt. My problems with this game still stand, and I am wholeheartedly still critizing this game, having played MMOs for over 10 years now - I feel I am in an pretty good place to critique it, in some way, shape and/or form. I did not ONCE, say I was going to unsub - or scream and complain that the game 'isnt meeting my standards and want a refund'. Those are problems with the game - and hey! Guess what? Some of those have been solved Guess BW is listening to some degree? (EDIT: since you edited yours) Ide hate to see your reaction if you pre-orderedand had a consistant sub since launch lol Youre right, honestly - but then again, Im not dumb enough to rush out and buy a game simply because it looks good. I generally wait a few months until games work out the bugs and kinks before I jump into it. And 3 months, to me, was a good time to buy. Shame in those 3 months they werent able to fix the simple lag issues that followed - or the HUNDREDS of pages of complains due to FPS drops and BAD memory management. Keep that in mind before you go bashing my post in a thread specifically dedicated to 'why people felt that BWs product wasnt living up to expectations' Edited April 14, 2012 by Xaeonis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellenicWarrior Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 Yay! You guys are champions great job with the legacy system btw! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrecklessMEDIC Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 Golly gee, thanks! But seriously . . . this is unacceptable. Once again, you seem to be missing the point. Some of us have been here since release, some of us signed up for for the six month "discount", some have big boy/girl jobs and can't play on mommy and daddy's dime (college), and some of us are burnt out on a game that promised so much, but delivered so very little; so we're looking for a little understanding and appreciation here. Instead, we're given a "If you played THIS much, you'll be rewarded." No, screw that. I've been playing since launch, I purchased six months, I'm bored out of my freaking mind at level 44, and playing this static, lifeless game is just a step above chewing on cardboard. You've lost me as a customer. *insert "See you in-game", "So long" or whatever comments are currently in favor* I tried. I really, really, really tried. I wanted this game to succeed so much. I loathe WoW and there isn't another, currently available, MMO that even has a chance of holding my interest, but without a doubt, SWToR is a horrible game. I'm sorry, but it's not me, it's you. Thank you EA for botching a game with untold amounts of potential. Thank you Lucasarts for continuing your abject spiral of mediocrity. Thank you George Lucas for becoming the Ahab of the Star Wars franchise - epitomizing poor judgement, a disdain for the fans, and tunnel vision "creativity". I'd "thank" Bioware, but I (naively?) want to believe that they gave (and continue to give) it their all. Sadly, they were saddled with the weight of two megalomaniacal entities - EA and Lucas. Later. I feel sorry for you my friend. I really, really do. Sounds like you will never be happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthholyk Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 Thank you BioWare. I am very happy you are expanding the Legacy Promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandarOrdo Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 Ohman, dont get me started. I know a lot of this game was rushed into release. Hell, theres a lot about this game I would DEFINITELY change to better it for the people playing, AND for the people developing it. But man. This really takes the cake. The original idea was 30 days free time for people who have a level 50, possibly raided, or didnt, and have been FORCED to sit with that 50 for god knows how long and enjoy the lack of end-game content. Which means, new characters. Okay, seems fair right? Yeah, theyve raised a character to 50, got there, said 'hey, this is cool, but now I have nothing to do'. To which the devs said 'hey, we know this, thats why we're giving you an extra 30 days free so it gives us some leeway time to make new content for people and improve the game youve already put time and effort into 'beating''. Sure. Makes sense. It does. That's why I'm not exactly complaining. I personally don't care, though I understand how some people feel about it. Some are complainers no matter what. Some...better wording would have sufficed. "Move valued players" was what ticked some people off. The most valued players are the people who have paid for the most months of game. They worded it badly. They've corrected that and they deserve some slack now. I think people should give it to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xaeonis Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 It does. That's why I'm not exactly complaining. I personally don't care, though I understand how some people feel about it. Some are complainers no matter what. Some...better wording would have sufficed. "Move valued players" was what ticked some people off. The most valued players are the people who have paid for the most months of game. They worded it badly. They've corrected that and they deserve some slack now. I think people should give it to them. Oh sure man, PR gone totally wrong - I get it. But honestly - HOWEVER they worded it, I GUARANTEE that the forums would be FILLED with... -WHY DONT I GET MY FREE MONTH? -MY $15 ARE JUST AS GOOD AS HIS $15 -etcetc Leave it up to self-entitled gamers to feel that THEY should feel just as special as anyone else... Like I said before - Im GLAD the fixed it. Really I am. Wont stop people from moaning about how Johnny has TWO shiny pencil toppers and Jimmy only got ONE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jebei Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 Ohman, dont get me started. I know a lot of this game was rushed into release. Hell, theres a lot about this game I would DEFINITELY change to better it for the people playing, AND for the people developing it. But man. This really takes the cake. The original idea was 30 days free time for people who have a level 50, possibly raided, or didnt, and have been FORCED to sit with that 50 for god knows how long and enjoy the lack of end-game content. Which means, new characters. Okay, seems fair right? Yeah, theyve raised a character to 50, got there, said 'hey, this is cool, but now I have nothing to do'. To which the devs said 'hey, we know this, thats why we're giving you an extra 30 days free so it gives us some leeway time to make new content for people and improve the game youve already put time and effort into 'beating''. Sure. Makes sense. Then. THEN. THEN - its starts. WAAHHHH WAHHHH IM NOT LEVEL 50 YET!!IVE BEEN PLAYING SINCE LAUNCH AND GET TIRED OF MY CHARACTERS SO I CHOSE NOT TO GET TO 50 AND IM BEING PUNISHEDMY $15 IS JUST AS GOOD AS HIS $15I HAVE REAL LIFE STUFF TO TAKE CARE OF AND CANT PLAY ALL OF THE TIME HOW DO THEY EXPECT ME TO GET TO 50??ETC ETC... You know what's worse than whining about $15? People whining that others were given something they've already gotten. The truth is you aren't any more entitled to the $15 than anyone else. The people sitting at 50 had the same choice as everyone else -- roll an alt and enjoy the single player game. Instead we had to listen to your non stop whining for the last 4 months. Now we have to listen to you whining that the non-50s whined about not being respected and got something that you feel they didn't deserve. Bottom line is ... POT MEET KETTLE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottydew Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 (edited) this still kind of upsets me. There are those of us who played since day one, that happen to work seven days a week, so I'm going to get punished for not being lvl 50 or legacy 6, nor do I have time for leveling multiple characters. Unfortunately if I didn't enjoy the storyline and actually want to explore all the areas to see what I can find. I just hate being penalized for enjoying ALL aspects of the game......my .02. I'm done, stepping off of soapbox now......anyone got some cheese for my whine? On the other hand, gratz to all those who made it to 50 and have enjoyed the end game. I am somewhat jealous of you. Edited April 14, 2012 by Scottydew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandarOrdo Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 (edited) Oh sure man, PR gone totally wrong - I get it. But honestly - HOWEVER they worded it, I GUARANTEE that the forums would be FILLED with... -WHY DONT I GET MY FREE MONTH? -MY $15 ARE JUST AS GOOD AS HIS $15 -etcetc Leave it up to self-entitled gamers to feel that THEY should feel just as special as anyone else... Like I said before - Im GLAD the fixed it. Really I am. Wont stop people from moaning about how Johnny has TWO shiny pencil toppers and Jimmy only got ONE. Yeah, I know. Lol. Edit: I personally was psyched about the Tauntaun, and I've been here since Launch and have a six month subscription. Edited April 14, 2012 by CandarOrdo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mdchocolate Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 I am amazed at how many people are so pised with what BioWare did. Legacy is a great idea and so what if i'm not lvl 50. I LOVE THIS GAME!! If all these people find it so bad to play then my question is...Why are you even playing, hell why do you even care? Go play WOW or go on xbox live and kill a couple dozen in MW3. There is no perfect game and no perfect system to play it on. I swear if i read another comment from another crybaby about what sucks in this game, i'm gonna find their email address and send ya a realy nasty letter (lol)Seriously though, if all these people find something wrong then that means they are still playing and that gotta make BioWare happy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xaeonis Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 (edited) Now we have to listen to you whining that the non-50s whined about not being respected and got something that you feel they didn't deserve. Bottom line is ... POT MEET KETTLE. Obviously you didnt read the three posts that CLEARLY STATE. I AM GLAD THAT OTHER PEOPLE GET A FREE MONTH. Here. Ill even BIU it for you. I AM GLAD THAT OTHER PEOPLE GET A FREE MONTH. That better? Because I AM glad that other people got it. But LOOK at the sheer NUMBER of people that complained over it? Thats ridiculous. I would venture a guess that LESS THAN 20% of the people complaining have owned the game SINCE RELEASE AND purchased a multi-month subscription. Which means, people will complain when they are not included, IF THEY FEEL LIKE THEY SHOULD BE FOR WHATEVER REASON. Did you notice I havent complained - even *IF* I wasnt included in the free month? Because, guess what, Ive only been playing for ONE. So If I DIDNT get the free month - would I be here in the forums going "HEY THATS NOT FAIR I JUST BOUGHT YOUR GAME I DESERVE A FREE MONTH!"? Nope. Wouldnt care. Because I dont feel like Ive 'earned' it, even though I have one level 50 and a few alts. Remember. Pencil toppers. Johnny gets two, Jimmy gets one. Is that fair? Depends. Will the majority of Jimmy's complain? Oh you can bet your sweet bottom dollar they will. And one might say.... The Jimmy's...have been rustled. Edited April 14, 2012 by Xaeonis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ploute Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 And this right here is why SWTOR will become a GREAT game. Because you keep listening to your community. If you keep listening to your community SWTOR will be a better game then any other out there (yes I include WOW and GW2). Keep up the great work and thank you for giving us this time. I have my main up to level 45, but I enjoy the missions so much that often I end up doing mission that are low for me just to learn the story. What can I say I LOVE the lore. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CygnusMX Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 (edited) Theres a difference between being frustrated with a game in its current state... AND... Moaning until someone gives me something because I dont have it! My forum post on the state of this game is based around the problems WITHIN it, and has NOTHING TO DO with someone getting a 'free month' and me not getting it, or someone getting 'better items' because they were able to do something I wasnt. My problems with this game still stand, and I am wholeheartedly still critizing this game, having played MMOs for over 10 years now - I feel I am in an pretty good place to critique it, in some way, shape and/or form. Well not to get in a huge forum debate, but people who have been here since pre launch and have an unbroken consistant subscription are also in a pretty good place to critique how they've been bypassed a free month of gameplay. Yes you've played MMOs for 10 years and have every right to critique the gameplay,but you have only played swtor for 1 month and you have your free month of gameplay, I see why this whole thing wouldnt bother you. Speaking of frustration... Those who have been here 6 months supported the game from prelaunch until now are in a valid position to feel a bit cheated.They arent whiners , they have been loyal to the game and have supported the game since launch,but are penalized because of lifestyle or gameplay style. Edited April 14, 2012 by CygnusMX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalfear Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 I cancelled and this wouldnt even get me to consider resubing and I already meet the new standards! Its a shame after all those posts and after people put themselves out there to be openly attacked and insulted with out moderation yesterday on this very forum Bioware still didnt get the main issue it was all for not *shakes head and wanders off quite sad over state of humanity* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeleno Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 Nice ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotton Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 Thanks Guys My Son will be stoked to get a chance to lvl up his 46 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xaeonis Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 Well not to get in a huge forum debate, but people who have been here since pre launch and have an unbroken consistant subscription are also in a pretty good place to critique how they've been bypassed a free month of gameplay. Speaking of frustration... Those who have been here 6 months supported the game from prelaunch until now are in a valid position to feel a bit cheated.They arent whiners , they have been loyal to the game and have supported the game since launch,but are penalized because of lifestyle or gameplay style. 6 months with a lvl50 character?? Really? Even if you dont play but 8 hours a WEEK, youd still have a level 50 character in 6 months. I made 50 in under 7 days /played time. Granted, I am a veteran in MMOs and know how to level, but lets face it - this game doesnt make it incredibly hard to level. I think my hardest levels were 48-50 - and thats because I had completed my main storyline quest and felt no 'urge' to get to lvl 50. If you play MMOs CASUALLY (and for the sake of this discussion <8 hours a week), you had no NEED for the 30 day, as it was to offset the lack of end-game content once you reach 50. If youre still moseying through each class storyline, you havent really been AFFECTED by the lack of end game, because, for all intents and purposes, youve been exploring every ASPECT of the STORIES (which, effectively, cease at approx lvl48). If youre not missing out on anything due to the lack of content, why should you be given a free month to continue to experience content that has been out? Like I said before, Im GLAD that more people got and get a chance at the free month. I am SUPER HAPPY EXCITED about it. But I guarantee you that the majority of people complaining here...HAVENT been 6 month subscribed, and HAVENT owned the game since launch, and HAVENT paid multi-month subs. I would bet MY free month on it. Keep that in mind - Im not ragging on THOSE people, because, like you said, they have a right to be a bit peeved. Its the people who bought the game in Feb, bought a month or got a game card and now going "I WANT A FREE MONTH EVEN THOUGH I HAVENT MET THE VERY SMALL REQS FOR IT". Also, I still feel the need to say it - 6 months and not a SINGLE lvl 50?? Comon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monigold Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 (edited) i probably don't get to play enough to get this nice little perk, but you know what? at least they aren't like blizz and say, "oh well, suck it up, we can do what we want, like it or not, you will play." and while yes, i understand that there are things people will always complain about with any mmo, how can you really complain about being any class of your favorite char from star wars? i mean, really? this game is beautiful. my first mmo was wow, and before that, rpgs only. online gameplay was for super nerds. i played wow cause ozzy said to do so, i loved wow when i played. but tor has really made me love mmo's now. bioware has a great game here, and even if you don't qualify for the 30 day perk, like i won't, don't be a raging fool. if you love the game, love it, if you hate it, wow or rift or w/e is ====> way. feel free to leave the fun to those of us who love it cause we're fans first, players in the story second. good night folks. Edited April 14, 2012 by Monigold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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