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NVIDIA’s MFAA and SWTOR: Question

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NVIDIA’s MFAA and SWTOR: Question

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TrixxieTriss
05.23.2019 , 08:03 PM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by UltrachocoboI View Post
Didnt even know SWTOR has an FPS Meter, I am using msi afterburner usually and my CPU is a Ryzen 2600 on 4Ghz.
Only happens under these Settings tho, 8x Multisampling works fine but it looks worse ;(
When you go into swtor, it’s ctrl+shift+F and the FPS meter will come up on the bottom left of the screen

With your cpu, are you running it at 100% in Windows or is it throttling dependant on usage?

So the actual explanation of the FPS display colors:

Red = Rendering bound/Video Card
Green = Simulation bound/CPU
Yellow = Mix of both

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UltrachocoboI
05.23.2019 , 08:10 PM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by TrixxieTriss View Post
When you go into swtor, it’s ctrl+shift+F and the FPS meter will come up on the bottom left of the screen

With your cpu, are you running it at 100% in Windows or is it throttling dependant on usage?

So the actual explanation of the FPS display colors:

Red = Rendering bound/Video Card
Green = Simulation bound/CPU
Yellow = Mix of both
Gotcha, its indeed green so cpu bound, what a bummer that a 4Ghz Processor aint cuttin it. Any other tweaks I can do to get a better AA especially while moving? ReShade sadly ruin fonts so that aint the way to go either. I edited my last post with a screenshot with 8x MSAA forced in nvidia control panel but that only does so much.

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TrixxieTriss
05.23.2019 , 08:22 PM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by UltrachocoboI View Post
Gotcha, its indeed green so cpu bound, what a bummer that a 4Ghz Processor aint cuttin it. Any other tweaks I can do to get a better AA especially while moving? ReShade sadly ruin fonts so that aint the way to go either. I edited my last post with a screenshot with 8x MSAA forced in nvidia control panel but that only does so much.
You could try bumping up your CPU speed with an OC. But you will need a good cooler. I use a AIO deep cool captain WC in my wife’s PC. Swtor loves higher than 4ghz speed.

Her i7 4790k is running @4.7ghz on a RX 580. I have most of the settings similar through the AMD external software. I do cap FPS at 100 and the only times it goes below it is in PVP or areas that have not been properly optimised.

My setup is a i7 5770k on a Custom WC @5ghz. I’ve a gtx1080 with the same settings and it usually runs at 170-200fps. I would limit the FPS, but it doesn’t have it in the nvidia software anymore and the third party one you can use affects mouse performance ever so slightly.

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UltrachocoboI
05.23.2019 , 08:32 PM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by TrixxieTriss View Post
You could try bumping up your CPU speed with an OC. But you will need a good cooler. I use a AIO deep cool captain WC in my wife’s PC. Swtor loves higher than 4ghz speed.

Her i7 4790k is running @4.7ghz on a RX 580. I have most of the settings similar through the AMD external software. I do cap FPS at 100 and the only times it goes below it is in PVP or areas that have not been properly optimised.

My setup is a i7 5770k on a Custom WC @5ghz. I’ve a gtx1080 with the same settings and it usually runs at 170-200fps. I would limit the FPS, but it doesn’t have it in the nvidia software anymore and the third party one you can use affects mouse performance ever so slightly.
Since 4.0Ghz is already overclocked and the Ryzen 5 2600 arent that great I guess I am out of luck. Maybe Zen2 with its 15% IPC increase will do a better job at it. What are your Nvidia Control Panel/Inspector Settings? My FPS are capped via Rivatuner and I run 120 fps basicly all the time unless I am in a WZ.

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TrixxieTriss
05.23.2019 , 08:35 PM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by UltrachocoboI View Post
Since 4.0Ghz is already overclocked and the Ryzen 5 2600 arent that great I guess I am out of luck. Maybe Zen2 with its 15% IPC increase will do a better job at it. What are your Nvidia Control Panel/Inspector Settings? My FPS are capped via Rivatuner and I run 120 fps basicly all the time unless I am in a WZ.
I’m not in front of my PCs at moment. I’d need to check. But I do use enhanced and not override. I also don’t use the in game shadows because they do affect performance in pvp. They just aren’t optimised enough, even with my setup.

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UltrachocoboI
05.23.2019 , 08:41 PM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by TrixxieTriss View Post
I’m not in front of my PCs at moment. I’d need to check. But I do use enhanced and not override. I also don’t use the in game shadows because they do affect performance in pvp. They just aren’t optimised enough, even with my setup.
Since I dont really enjoy pvp anyway I rather use shadows, havent had a problem in fps or open world yet.
Seeing your Nvidia Inspector Setting would be great tho. SSGAA seems to artifact with shadows ingame so its not working out for me probably and 8xMSAA still seems like not enough.
Edit: Its also a shame that the game has no proper depth buffer, disabling shadows and forcing MXAO via ReShade would be so lovely but its not working out without a proper depthbuffer.

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TrixxieTriss
05.23.2019 , 09:00 PM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by UltrachocoboI View Post
Since I dont really enjoy pvp anyway I rather use shadows, havent had a problem in fps or open world yet.
Seeing your Nvidia Inspector Setting would be great tho. SSGAA seems to artifact with shadows ingame so its not working out for me probably and 8xMSAA still seems like not enough.
Edit: Its also a shame that the game has no proper depth buffer, disabling shadows and forcing MXAO via ReShade would be so lovely but its not working out without a proper depthbuffer.
It’s a really old game now and only had small graphics improvements over the years. It’s still on dx9. So it’s limited on what it can do.
The game has always been more CPU centric and less reliant on GPU. It’s only in recent years that GPUs started to get used more.
Honestly, even my gtx1080 is overkill for this game.
I don’t just not use shadows because of pvp. I’ve always found that the movement isn’t as smooth as without and in some pve settings that aren’t optimised properly, they can hit performance too. Especially if there is a lot going on or there are too many people in an instance. Ie try running around the fleet when the instance is full of people RPing at the cantina

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betaku
05.24.2019 , 05:02 AM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by UltrachocoboI View Post
Didnt even know SWTOR has an FPS Meter, I am using msi afterburner usually and my CPU is a Ryzen 2600 on 4Ghz.
Only happens under these Settings tho, 8x Multisampling works fine but it looks far worse sadly, especially Grass is aliasing and shimmering like crazy.
Here is a Screenshot but you cant see it that good there sadly, its waaaay worse in motion though..
https://puu.sh/Dwre1/2f08c22a3d.png
Swtor like high frequency memory with tight timings too and you have a ryzen cpu, that why.

I have a i7-5960X O/C @ 4.5Ghz (4400Mhz cache), 3200Mhz memory @ CL14 T1 and a 1080 Ti gpu.

For comparaison :

https://i.imgur.com/QoHfV2D.jpg

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xordevoreaux
05.25.2019 , 10:58 AM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by betaku View Post
Swtor like high frequency memory with tight timings too and you have a ryzen cpu, that why.

I have a i7-5960X O/C @ 4.5Ghz (4400Mhz cache), 3200Mhz memory @ CL14 T1 and a 1080 Ti gpu.

For comparaison :

https://i.imgur.com/QoHfV2D.jpg

First option.
I don't mind the in-game bloom, so I have that turned on, but I use Enhance instead of Override on nvidia inspector because I don't like the edge burn you get top and left (that white haze in your screenshot). 1050 GTX Ti, 32GB Ram, 3700k Processor. Old hardware but decent framerate (50).

I also don't use in-game ambient occlusion (enhanced shadows) and instead force it via the driver in Inspector.

https://i.imgur.com/xlCb7Bj.png
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JediQuaker
05.25.2019 , 11:11 AM | #20
I just gotta ask - why are you so interested in AA? Unless you are interested in having lovely looking screen shots, AA isn't going to make your gameplay any better and you won't really notice it during action. (In fact, it's obvious here that trying to get better AA is just trashing your fps.)
That's provided you are playing at a decent graphics resolution like 1920x1080 and have the basic in-game AA turned on. If you are playing at a lower rez then say, 1600x900, you need to get a better monitor before worrying about AA.
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