Sorry my mind went blank. I forgot about the traitor arc.

 

Yeah it does sound like we're going to be forced to choose between the Empire or Republic. So I guess this is the end of the Alliance. Three years we've been on this and all it took was one rushed story to ruin it.

I think most players problem is that it (the alliance/zakuul) should never have happened. Many of us put a lot of time into that whole story - years of time because there was no option if you wanted to continue playing the story. It's a bit annoying that it took so long for them to realise that for most people SW is empire V republic. As they say "it is what it is". I hope our character's power is not over looked.

 

I wonder where our Alliance Specialists will go?

I think most players problem is that it (the alliance/zakuul) should never have happened. Many of us put a lot of time into that whole story - years of time because there was no option if you wanted to continue playing the story. It's a bit annoying that it took so long for them to realise that for most people SW is empire V republic. As they say "it is what it is". I hope our character's power is not over looked.

 

I wonder where our Alliance Specialists will go?

 

That or turning every character into the Outlander.

 

No idea.

I will play the characters getting their companions back, basically my force users. I do want to see the story they have worked on but I am uneasy about which side to choose because I can't see some of my companions wanting to follow my characters to serve specific factions. I think its funny that Malora is returning as a Darth. I don't think she will be pleased to see my Sith since I had her electrocuted and punished on Korriban.

I was more concerned that 5.10 turns us back into an intergalactic lackey in which no-one respects our power and new npcs who will be lording it over us when they should be grovelling at our feet. It's going to be exactly that

Every once in awhile between Makeb and Yavin IV I enjoyed being able to remind NPCs or be acknowledged by them as the Dark Lord of Ancient Knowledge when playing my Sith Inquisitor. Becoming a "Commander" of the Alliance and being referred to as the Emperor maybe twice after seizing the Eternal Throne was always a poor substitute for that. If I'm forced to return to the Sith Empire without a reputation just because the old Dark Council is no more, then it'll gravely wound my interest in story progression.

 

It was bad enough that the only choices in reuniting with Ashara Zavros are kiss her crayola orange butt or be one-upped by her in a Force duel. I don't want impertinent sass from an alien commando, although I give it would make some sense for Darth Malora to hold a grudge since I had her raked over the coals when we were both acolytes and being councilors would put us on more level ground.

I don't want impertinent sass from an alien commando, although I give it would make some sense for Darth Malora to hold a grudge since I had her raked over the coals when we were both acolytes and being councilors would put us on more level ground.

 

I'm pretty excited to see her reaction, honestly. Is she going to hate me or is she going to be all sithy about it and respect me for giving her rage fuel? Third option, she acts like she doesn't even remember me and then I'll be the one raging!

 

Not going to lie, I love this kind of stuff and it's more in line with what I always wanted in an expansion. Might have to start visiting the story forum again if it keeps up.

Yes sort of - we're forced to pick a side but it's not entirely back to the original fight pre kotfe.

 

I was more concerned that 5.10 turns us back into an intergalactic lackey in which no-one respects our power and new npcs who will be lording it over us when they should be grovelling at our feet. It's going to be exactly that

 

Yes. I'm expecting dialogue on both sides about how our PC is a failure and how we have to do whatever our new faction overlords say. :( I am not looking forward to that at all.

 

I think the Jedi and Sith PCs should at least be offered to have their old jobs back or have seats on their respective Councils, they could make the Agent the head of Intelligence and give the Trooper a higher rank (don't they mention the trooper was posthumously made a Colonel?), but I feel like we're going to be back to being lackeys.

If we had any reason to go back to any Faction, then we should be 1 of the top people in Command of whatever faction we are in, as some people have said, as us being a stupid dumb lacky who should have never gotten' or earned the Eternal Throne.

 

No matter what, we should always have the option of staying out of the war and letting the other die for a stupid cause, that is only about how the force and politics are viewed.

SNIP....

 

No matter what, we should always have the option of staying out of the war and letting the other die for a stupid cause, that is only about how the force and politics are viewed.

 

Agreed. If I have to go back to that old garbage bickering in one of bioware less than stellar forced options like we have seen then It's highly likely my spacebar will be worn out in my one pass-though.

I'm looking forward to it. I'm very excited to return to that classic Star Wars feeling.

 

KoTET and KoTFE were both very interesting, but they definitely felt different from previous content.

 

I'm glad that we're getting back to Star Wars but the darn gearing system may make me skip it anyway. What were the devs thinking?

I'm glad that we're getting back to Star Wars but the darn gearing system may make me skip it anyway. What were the devs thinking?

 

^^^

 

Whatever happens with the story, good or bad. It will probably be drowned out by the hatred for the tier 5 gear.

^^^

 

Whatever happens with the story, good or bad. It will probably be drowned out by the hatred for the tier 5 gear.

Yup...one step forward, one step back...it didn't need to be like this.

^^^

 

Whatever happens with the story, good or bad. It will probably be drowned out by the hatred for the tier 5 gear.

 

I'm siked for the new gear, gearing is my favorite thing. I'm excited as hell heh

Edited October 16, 2018 by WayOfTheWarriorx

If we had any reason to go back to any Faction, then we should be 1 of the top people in Command of whatever faction we are in,

 

Now that I agree with, and I'm confident you will be like second in command.

 

Even I'd be pissed if it isn't the case and I'd be looking for some payback hardcore.

Now that I agree with, and I'm confident you will be like second in command.

 

Even I'd be pissed if it isn't the case and I'd be looking for some payback hardcore.

 

We've never been in command. The narrative might be that we were, but we've always been someone's errand-boy/girl. 'Tis the nature of go fetch questing games. It won't be any different.

We've never been in command. The narrative might be that we were, but we've always been someone's errand-boy/girl. 'Tis the nature of go fetch questing games. It won't be any different.

 

KotFE and KotET really felt like Lana's and Theron's story and our characters were the companion. In a sense we were in command by the graces of both Lana and Theron, so there's been no real authority over there. So I agree, the follower role never has gone away with our toons.

We've never been in command. The narrative might be that we were, but we've always been someone's errand-boy/girl. 'Tis the nature of go fetch questing games. It won't be any different.

 

Speaking only for myself, I loved being the Emperor Wrath.

 

Kinda like being in the Secret Service accept you can kill whoever you want, whenever you want and you don't even need a reason. and being the single most feared person in the Empire and only answerable to the Emperor himself whom you barely ever see anyways.

 

Prior to being named the Emperor's Wrath, the last person who told me I had to do something I slew in single combat in front of the entire Dark Council and nobody said a word.

 

I can live with that heh.

 

Now that's what I call Perks of the Job

 

I'm not exactly sure I would describe someone who is considered the second most powerful and feared person in the entire Empire as being a lacky. There's not one other person besides the Emperor in the Empire who can tell you [sithlord player] that you have to do one blessed thing.

 

No one is going to treat you like a lacky when they know you're allowed to kill whoever you want.

 

I seem to recall what happened to one or two Imperial Officers who got a tad uppity with Vader. He killed them in front of everyone.

 

Having Vader's role, that don't sound too shabby to me. heh

Edited October 16, 2018 by WayOfTheWarriorx

Now that I agree with, and I'm confident you will be like second in command.

 

Even I'd be pissed if it isn't the case and I'd be looking for some payback hardcore.

 

I'm not egotistical enough to want to be first in command like a couple people might think. However, i do think us Eternal Commanders have earned a top 5 spot. We were not just 1 person in the Alliance but were 1 person put in-charge and in command of it, even when or if we did not want to. Also, there would not have been any Alliance without our character's, nor would have Valkorian nor his family been defeated without our character's

 

I'd say top 3 to 4 most important character's we should be in any faction.

KotFE and KotET really felt like Lana's and Theron's story and our characters were the companion. In a sense we were in command by the graces of both Lana and Theron, so there's been no real authority over there. So I agree, the follower role never has gone away with our toons.

 

You missed the Story then, because we were always the focus, and we were always put in the final command situation, when it came down to it. Theron and Lana had to be there to be any Alliance to work, as Theron represented Republic and Lana represented the Empire.

You missed the Story then, because we were always the focus, and we were always put in the final command situation, when it came down to it. Theron and Lana had to be there to be any Alliance to work, as Theron represented Republic and Lana represented the Empire.

 

No, I did not miss the story, that is simply how I felt my character came across while playing the story. They felt like Lana's and Theron's companion and I am not the only one saying that. Are you suggesting then that we all missed the story? Because you know... it's possible to experience something differently than you... and still get the story... that really is a possibility...

Just thought i'd ask, as for me i have no reason to play such a stupid thing in my opinion, I have been doing a Republic/Rebellion vs. Empire junk for over 40 years with Star Wars, and it makes me really sick and tired that writers might not want to use any real intelligence and Star Wars lore, that's out there for a 3rd faction, although i hope i'm wrong.

 

Either it's me quitting the game, or just level my characters without doing anymore so-called story lines. I haven't even really done Iokath, as i just haven't felt like doing it.

 

For me it depends. If current companions and LIs are essentially ignored in order to bring in new blood and have nothing to do with the story ill get bored fast. I hate nothing more then constant pushing aside of already trusted allies and being forced to go on adventures with new ones. I want to adventure with my chars LIs and friends and for them to have a voice not just be mute standing around in cut scenes etc.

Just thought i'd ask, as for me i have no reason to play such a stupid thing in my opinion, I have been doing a Republic/Rebellion vs. Empire junk for over 40 years with Star Wars, and it makes me really sick and tired that writers might not want to use any real intelligence and Star Wars lore, that's out there for a 3rd faction, although i hope i'm wrong.

 

Either it's me quitting the game, or just level my characters without doing anymore so-called story lines. I haven't even really done Iokath, as i just haven't felt like doing it.

 

You are free to ignore the storyline, absolutely. But what you dislike others may like, and newsflash: that does not make them less intelligent than you are. I am rather concerned about the fact you seem to be constantly linking subjective opinions/taste to intelligence.

 

If you are so sick and tired of that fact, perhaps it's time to try out a new franchise that is more to your tastes? That way you won't be forced to go through stories you don't like, because you are allowed to enjoy yourself!

 

But seemingly, as can be seen in this poll https://strawpoll.com/8p8bgbfg from the SWTOR Reddit, a vast majority of people are happy with the return to the Empire vs Republic narrative.

Edited October 17, 2018 by Ylliarus

No, I did not miss the story, that is simply how I felt my character came across while playing the story. They felt like Lana's and Theron's companion and I am not the only one saying that. Are you suggesting then that we all missed the story? Because you know... it's possible to experience something differently than you... and still get the story... that really is a possibility...

 

Well to be fair here everytime it came down to our decisions... Lana and Theron didn't do squat about it, the only one who reacts to it is Koth and even then he rebels (ironic I would say considering the Alliance). So I do agree with Mad, we were in a leadership position. There is a difference IMO between having advisers and being someone's companion.

You missed the Story then, because we were always the focus, and we were always put in the final command situation, when it came down to it. Theron and Lana had to be there to be any Alliance to work, as Theron represented Republic and Lana represented the Empire.

 

We were never the focus. Valkorian, Arcann and Vaylin were the focus. I never even felt like a protagonist at any point. Well, the first couple chapters of FE we were, but when Arcann and Vaylin started dominating the cutscenes we were relegated to Sideshow Bob status. Theron and Lana weren't the focus, but they were directors of the action; ala go fetch questing. We were basically the foil (**** disturbers) to the Valkorians who were the focal point of the story.

Edited October 17, 2018 by kodrac

I mostly enjoyed the latest expansions. The main strength of the Star Wars universe in my opinion is not endless confrontation between two factions which could be arguably associated with Empire from OT and Republic from PT, but its ability to assimilate a wide variety of genres and themes using a space opera background. KotFE and KotET reintroduced family conflict (which became the very essence of OT after TESB) and explored it on a new level, returned to certain themes and motives from Expanded Universe, fleshed out certain characters (Valkorion retcon saved Vitiate as a character in my eyes), brought a new culture with its own believes and aesthetics. They weren’t perfect but I count them among the most curious pieces of Star Wars media.

 

If I could choose between “Knights of…” trilogy as it was conceived and KotFE + KotET + Traitor arc + reset to default conflict, I’d definitely take the first option. Still, I can’t say that I’m completely unhappy about the new direction of the story. As long as the new additions to plotline allow me to explore and deepen my characters’ personality and observe how the circumstances affect their strengths and weaknesses, I’m fine.

 

And looks like my main who was obsessed with the idea of Republic and Empire coexisting peacefully since vanilla is going to face his worst challenge – being disillusioned. It’ll be sad but interesting.

Depends on the story, and the options I get for 6.0 (faction change option).

 

I've already stayed away from the 4.0 and beyond expansions (and deleted any characters that were part of it), but may take one through when 5.10 drops, so 6.0 will be a 'maybe' for me.