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I'm not talking game wise but I'm wondering which is better double bladed or dual wielding. If you could it would be great if you would tell me which you think is better and why. Also please give me an answer not just why one is good and why the other is good.

 

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Dual wielding (especially two weapons of the same type) is a meme. If you want the same range as your opponent, and also be a smaller target, you turn your chest, making the second weapon useless. Once shields went out of fashion IRL, the main "offhand weapons" became daggers and flintlock pistols. Figthing with one weapon and turning on the other only for surprise attacks seems the better choice.

 

Polearms with two business-ends were a thing throughout the ages, but the main advantage of a polearm (range) isn't there when you can only touch a small area in the middle of the weapon. Compared to a single bladed saber you have far less options to move the weapon without killing yourself with the second blade. Turning off one blade and using it only for surprise attacks (as seen in the Return trailer) seems way better.

 

Assuming both styles are more effective as single blade with a surprise attack, the pole-saber's longer hilt helps with a better (two-handed) grip, and allows for moves where you swap blades, that can't be done with a single saber. Holding a second saber is mainly an advantage when your opponent doesn't have the force to overpower your main hand.

 

So: polesaber (2H, one blade off) > one saber (2h) > two sabers (one off) > one saber (1H) > two sabers > polesaber

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Dual wielding (especially two weapons of the same type) is a meme. If you want the same range as your opponent, and also be a smaller target, you turn your chest, making the second weapon useless. Once shields went out of fashion IRL, the main "offhand weapons" became daggers and flintlock pistols. Figthing with one weapon and turning on the other only for surprise attacks seems the better choice.

 

Polearms with two business-ends were a thing throughout the ages, but the main advantage of a polearm (range) isn't there when you can only touch a small area in the middle of the weapon. Compared to a single bladed saber you have far less options to move the weapon without killing yourself with the second blade. Turning off one blade and using it only for surprise attacks (as seen in the Return trailer) seems way better.

 

Assuming both styles are more effective as single blade with a surprise attack, the pole-saber's longer hilt helps with a better (two-handed) grip, and allows for moves where you swap blades, that can't be done with a single saber. Holding a second saber is mainly an advantage when your opponent doesn't have the force to overpower your main hand.

 

So: polesaber (2H, one blade off) > one saber (2h) > two sabers (one off) > one saber (1H) > two sabers > polesaber

 

I guess that is true but you also have to think about angles with dual wielding a lightsaber per say, you can get a lot of angles and you could hold your own against multiple enemies. double bladed you can do the same, (like seen with darth maul in the first movie) but he used ways to take a break and get away, dual wielding you don't have that much of a problem cause of the mobility you have over it, but all you said was very true.

 

P.S. dual wielding lightsabers don't have to be the same one can be a shoto and another can be normal (like Ahsoka Tano)

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Both are potentially viable skills, with advantages and disadvantages, although both are very dependent on your speed and reactions.

 

The style with dual-bladed weapons varies more than with any other type of weapon, and the approach will depend on the style of weapon, where the primary advantage will either be the ability to hit harder or longer reach.

If you can only grab the weapon by a section in the middle (like the dual-bladed sabers in-game), this allows for greater application of force through the principle of leverage. You can hit much harder and with much greater force than with any other melee weapon, except possibly a mace or cestus (that is really just an armoured gauntlet).

Or if you have the option of grabbing the weapon at or near one end (a halberd design, for example, where you have a long pole with sharp edges or points at the ends) which gives you greater reach at the expense of weapon speed and virtually no ability to defend at any distance other than your own optimal fighting range (if your opponent is too far away you cannot reach them, and if they are too close then your weapon is slow and has no capability to fend off). As with any polearm weapon, unles syou have an alternative for short-range melee combat your only defence is to keep your opponent at your optimal range.

Having potentially two blades or weapons on your dual-bladed weapon is not actually as useful in practice as most people assume, because the blades are in fixed positions opposite form each other. So if one blade is pointing at an opponent, the other is pointing in exactly the opposite direction. Great if you have one opponent in front of you and one behind you, but practically useless as you can only watch one of your opponents at a time in that scenario.

 

Dual-wielding weapons are vastly more flexible than any other melee type, except possibly a sword+shield combo which trades an improvement in defensive capability and being easier to master for greater off-hand range and offensive capability (a shield bash is a viable offensive strike, but only within reach of your bent arm, while a sword held in your off-hand can reach further), but the learning curve for their use is much more than simply learning to use a one-handed sword in your non-dominant hand. There is a reason why one of the more common co-ordination tests is to pat yourself on the head with one hand while rubbing your belly in a circular motion with the other hand... imagine undergoing that test while two people are trying to beat you with either heavy sticks or sharp swords, and you start to see the problem.

Learning to play the piano helps immensely with learning to dual-wield, as it forces your brain to learn the motor control skills required to allow your hands to operate independently of each other.

Dual-wielding is much harder than wielding polestaffs or dual-bladed weapons, because with the dual-bladed scenario your hands are still operating in a co-ordinated manner, while with dual wielding your hands will almost never be co-ordinated.

Equally, with most Western-style combat arts using one-handed weapons, there are times when it is necessary to grasp the bladed part of the sword. This is why most longswords actually had one or two blunt section of the blade, near to the guard and one closer to the tip, allowing a gauntletted sword user to grasp the blade and apply leverage. When dual-wielding, this is not possible because you would have to drop a sword to accomplish this. The result is that most swords designed for dual wielding were made with only one edge, the other being blunt or flat, as with a Japanese katana. Blocking strikes when dual-wielding became almost non-existent, and when it did happen the goal was to deflect the incoming strike by bracing one of the swords against your body (with the flat side or blunt "edge" against your body) and deflecting the incoming blade so that the strike would slide off.

Dual wielders can dish out almost twice the attacks as a single-bladed opponent, but they are also easier to pin down into a defensive posture than a single-bladed opponent who is equipped with a shield, because effective defence for a dual-wielder requires much more attention to detail with virtually no margin for error... they are the Medieval definition of a glass cannon :)

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I don't know if it is really relevant but in Book 1 of the Bane-Triology there is a part where

the sword master explains to Bane one of the bigger advantages of dual bladed

weapons.

I don't know the exact wording but he said that dual bladed weapons are kind of exotic

and most people don't have the necessary experience to defend against it.

Against a single opponent the second blade is useless but it confuses unexperienced opponents

because they are sometimes distracted by the second blade because it looks like there was more than one

blade the can harm someone even if it can't.

Like I said I don't have the exact wording in my head but there were a couple of pages for that kind of weapon

and its combat application.

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Summary, Dual wielding and Dualsabers really tend to come down to individual skills, preferences, and aptitudes, they have their own unique advantages and disadvantages.

 

Dualsabers can be a great advantage defensively, while dual wielding can make for a stronger offense with some defensive benefits, but with only one hand on each blade its easier to get disarmed.

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