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Emperor's Wrath vs. Darth Nox (spoilers)

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Emperor's Wrath vs. Darth Nox (spoilers)

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Myrmicus
07.30.2017 , 03:36 AM | #381
Pointing out that Wrath never loss so there is no weakness to discover isn't quite accurate.
Everyone has a weakness... everyone.
In the end though, it's a fight about someone who can't be defeated (Wrath) against someone who can defeat anything (Nox). The classic unmovable object versus the unstoppable force.

I favor Nox mainly because I'm having a narrative stance and I look at them through a narrator lense : as I said, the Warrior is all about being the best and proving it, while the Inquisitor is all about overcoming difficulties. Thus, the Warrior has a "finite" potential, while the Inquisitor has an "infinite" potential, making the latter more fitted to win the final fight.

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Joselionheart
10.02.2018 , 09:52 PM | #382
It really depends I mean Darth nox was able to beat khem Val an honorable duel and Val cannot be hit or damaged with the force so also he was trained by tulak hord who is debatably the greatest Sith Lord that ever lived or in his generation let's say which he was a master of form 1/2 and may be discovered form 7 and nox was able to beat him in a duel now the RAF he is trained and Form 1 2 3 and 7 which makes him and crazy Powerhouse almost a jack of all trade nox I would have to say his fighting forms are Form 1 2 3 & 7 very similar to the RAF as well but he also uses the force all the time so I would have to say he is a Form 1 2 3 6 & 7 similar to Darth Sidious fighting styles but you have to remember these were ancient Sith they all were trained and fought during a time of War if you realize it the Bane error of Sith all went into hiding they weren't bread in war or grew up or born during war so it is really hard to say who is superior because I take all the knowledge that I know from Star Wars and from martial arts based on experience and these agents if have more experience now they are both around the same age but if I would have to choose who would win I would think it was the Wrath just because he has more combat experience he is more built for combat nox as more of a sorcerer the Wrath is more of a pure Warrior that can handle anything in battle he was even granted as second to the emperor the dark Council also Bal to him which shows a lot to how powerful he really is dark council members usually never been able to anybody but they bout it to him does not he was never bow to a judge granted him a seat and went on with their day so my final conclusion is the emperor's wrath is the Victor winner and far much more of a stronger Warrior than nox if they would ever fight the emperor's laugh would win but he will come out with a few broken bones charge skin and maybe a few lightsaber thrust to the chest or the abdomen or the leg but an overall he would become the Victor as the Wrath would most likely decapitate or stab nox through the heart

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LordDelectus
10.07.2018 , 11:46 AM | #383
I think this is an impossible question to answer unless BW decides to tell us the specific class that Nox was as the "canon" class. Which I doubt.

We know with the Wraith that as a warrior, his strength was in saber combat, either single our dual sabers.

Nox could have had his specialty also in combat with a dualsaber or his talents could have been in mental sorcery, lightning or even dark healing.

I think if Nox was specialized in dualsaber combat or dark healing he wouldn't stand a chance against the skill of the Wraith. The Wraith defeated two Dark Council members, Jedi Masters and other saber specialists to fall to the blade of sorcerer.

However, lightening and mental sorcery are a totally different ballgame. It would depend on the Wraith's speed and ability to neutralize those ranged attacks.

I am biased. I think Nox would win. His use of force ghosts has him on the power scale that is no longer limited to natural potential, like Vitiate, Bane, Nihilus or Sion. If his ranged offenses were so easy to mitigate, he would not have been victorious against so many foes. The Wraith on the other hand has mostly dealt with saber specialists, so we can only attest to his deftness of blade.

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OldVengeance
10.07.2018 , 02:06 PM | #384
Darth Baras is a Sith that uses Force Lightning and the Wrath defeated him in their final duel.

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MikeCobalt
10.07.2018 , 02:30 PM | #385
I believe Nox is stronger. I've had the Sorcerer For a couple years now and a SW at Lvl 52 I'm presently playing This would seem to indicate a SW bias but No. The SW is tough yes a brute but a brute nonetheless. Darth Nox at first has the Range over Melee advantage. Darth Nox is not a *Just single opponent but a single Educated Sorcerer with the Power of 4 More Masters added to their own "5 times the power of any SWTOR Force User". *Nobody except Valkorian can match that in the games own lore. Its a game, and has to be roughly the same amount of challenge / gameplay for all otherwise by the end of the Inquisitors story they would be turning everybody into "Crispy Critters" in seconds from a good distance while the SW is still thrusting, parrying and blocking like everybody else. Plus, it seems Darth Nox doesn't die and when problems occur Nox adapts to overcome.

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Malkosha
10.10.2018 , 05:51 PM | #386
Well ... to keep the necro post going I would have to go with Darth Nox. I'm using Nox as the Inquisitors example because he would have kept all the ghosts in servitude. The others might have let them go and wouldn't be obsessively driven to acquire even more power like a pure Darkside Sith would.

While the Emperor's Wrath is a strong melee char who is also powerful in the force which fuels his abilities, the power of Darth Nox is unlimited. Yes, the ghosts count and taking them out of the equation is like taking the lightsaber from the Wrath.

Keep in mind that the Wrath is not Scourge. Scourge has been around for century's and was made immortal by the Emperor. The Wrath was not. When council said they were afraid of the Wrath, it was Scourge ... not the latest version. Also, the Wrath is not above the council as many have suggested but stands alone and answers only to the Emperor. This is not the same as being more powerful than the council. It's just a political appointment in a different branch of government if you will.

Remember that Nox had his body and mind rebuilt to handle the power he can now control. We don't know the limit of the Sith ghosts that Nox could control but it's at least 5 if you took the one on Voss. Looking at Star Wars history it becomes evident that the pure force users controlled the best of melee types. Sidious used Vader and Dooku as tools. The most powerful Jedi in canon was Yoda who was a great warrior but his true power was in the mastery of the force as he shown in the fight with Count Dooku when they couldn't decide the battle with lightsabers alone. In the SW universe, Force ability is the key to power. Not lightsaber forms.

By having his mind and body rebuilt to allow Nox the ability to have almost unlimited power ... a possible mistake by BW ... Nox becomes the most powerful force user and would easily defeat the Wrath. Nox's only true challenge would be the most most powerful force user ever ... the Emperor.
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YTerminusreborn
11.12.2018 , 02:22 PM | #387
Wow, a lot of people seem to think this would be a stomp:
My personal opinion would be that it would be a draw or Drath Nox wins (channeling the spirits' power):
Wrath would have an edge as a duelist, but not as much as you'd think, Nox is also a master with the blade, likely enough to provide Wrath with a worthy challenge. Do not forget that Nox, when he was an apprentice, was able to defeat a Sith Lord in a duel after being *stripped of the force* and the same Sith Lord still had access to augmentation (every sith and jedi used it to some degree, so you can't argue that he was different, especially when he was already a cheater). One should also take note that this Lord claimed to have killed "better sith", "better" suggesting higher rank, but that's my headcanon, This was done at the weakest point in his life. It is also stated that the Inquisitor (which is Nox) is just as skilled with the lightsaber as he is powerful and that anyone that is "foolish enough" to engage him will be cut down. He had bested Thanaton by the end of the story, only using the ghosts at the end to completely dominate him. And for those who say that the council found Thanaton unworthy, only one member of the council found him unworthy, where it is shown that two others did. And now let'ss talk about the ghost: not only does this make him significantly more powerful than he already is, but it can bring him back from the dead and if Thanaton is any indication, if you fail the first time, Nox will return with a vengeance. The reason why my argument is 98% Nox is because a lot of people are tlking like Wrath would stomp him, I think it's a least a draw, and if Nox channels the 4 spirits + the Voss, unless Wrath can find a way to channel Vitiate, he will die.

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YTerminusreborn
11.12.2018 , 02:29 PM | #388
Quote: Originally Posted by LordDelectus View Post
I think this is an impossible question to answer unless BW decides to tell us the specific class that Nox was as the "canon" class. Which I doubt.

We know with the Wraith that as a warrior, his strength was in saber combat, either single our dual sabers.

Nox could have had his specialty also in combat with a dualsaber or his talents could have been in mental sorcery, lightning or even dark healing.

I think if Nox was specialized in dualsaber combat or dark healing he wouldn't stand a chance against the skill of the Wraith. The Wraith defeated two Dark Council members, Jedi Masters and other saber specialists to fall to the blade of sorcerer.

However, lightening and mental sorcery are a totally different ballgame. It would depend on the Wraith's speed and ability to neutralize those ranged attacks.

I am biased. I think Nox would win. His use of force ghosts has him on the power scale that is no longer limited to natural potential, like Vitiate, Bane, Nihilus or Sion. If his ranged offenses were so easy to mitigate, he would not have been victorious against so many foes. The Wraith on the other hand has mostly dealt with saber specialists, so we can only attest to his deftness of blade.
Actually the encyclopedia and website states all of the above, Nox is capable of all of that. It speaks with regards to him being capable with the single blade and staff. It also states that his skills with a lightsaber are "equally impressive" as his power. Although in the cite, they refer to him as the Inquisitor, that is after all his class.

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Joselionheart
03.02.2019 , 08:27 PM | #389
Darth Revan once said that the dark side is much stronger than the light proof that the prodigal Knight the hero the car the Savior and the butcher said the dark side is powerful now Darth nox is born as a slave and and and it's a descendant of one of the greatest Sith Lords ever that hook tulak hord in fear the emperor's wrath was born to be a great warrior for the Sith but never a leader nobody never thought that he would rise to power such fast and for a young age the emperor's wrath was born to be a great Sith warrior Darth nox was born to lead but I will say this if somebody is chosen to being second only to the emperor and the emperor's full power could kill any Jedi and could destroy anybody with over a thousand years of force Powers it said something about the power of the RAF but he is a master the blade all seven lightsaber forms Darth nox from everything that I've studied he looks more of a master of Nieman and form 7 but he succeeds better in the forest all I can say is if these two thought it would be a battle of the greatest Sith ever but in the end it all depends on who cancan bring out more will more hate more anger into this fight and as far as we know the wrath brings out more hate and anger than anyone just because of the training that he's received the torture and suffering that he's received nox may have been a former slave but he killed his former slaver in the end the wrath was very disciplined trained to be a soldier trained to kill by any means necessary who has killed more Jedi than anyone in the Old Republic and if the dark council fears him that says a lot right there the dark council only let dark nox in they did not bow to him the dark council bout to the wrath let alone at the events of the shadow of Revan the emperor's wrath soon became the empires wrath the point where Darth Marr feared his powers and only called upon him for the most urgent missions the dark mark couldn't handle and Darth Marr was the head of the of the Sith count council

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AxlorBitter
11.03.2019 , 01:17 PM | #390
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Depends. I've had a similar debate with a buddy of mine. We settled with two possibilities.

They are equal.

Wrath is more powerful.

As for the second conclusion it goes like this.. Nox just gained a seat on the council by defeating a member of the council that the others felt barely deserved the position in the first place. Nox also did it with the help of various spirits rather than his/her own power. In a sense you can still argue it Is Nox's power but.. not the point of this thread.

The wrath on the other hand is second only to the emperor himself. He/She was chosen specifically by the Emperor himself in order to serve. Even the council has acknowledged him/her as the wrath and outright states he/she may do whatever he/she wants as long as it doesn't contradict their own goals. Despite this the council seem nervous and even state they won't get in Wrath's way.
By that logic, the Sith Emperor isn't actually powerful.