Dirtyshadow Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Am I reading and understanding the following right.... The Grade 7 Starship Defensive Bundle contains defensive upgrades that will protect your ship during the most difficult missions! Cost: 400 Cartel Coins. Purchase the Grade 7 Starship Offensive Bundle to give your ship enhanced firepower! Cost: 550 Cartel Coins. The Grade 7 Starship Tactical Bundle contains powerful upgrades for your personal starship. Cost: 350 Cartel Coins. Grade 7 items I know of ingame cost a huge amount of daily / fleet commendations as well as pricey craftable objects... so giving them out day 1 of the new heroic space missions, in a Cartel pack... circumventing all ingame crafting/grinding by throwing real world money at them... is that not by definition "Pay2Win" Space Missions ??? :rak_02: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EATtheDEAD Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Am I reading and understanding the following right.... Grade 7 items I know of ingame cost a huge amount of daily / fleet commendations as well as pricey craftable objects... so giving them out day 1 of the new heroic space missions, in a Cartel pack... circumventing all ingame crafting/grinding by throwing real world money at them... is that not by definition "Pay2Win" Space Missions ??? :rak_02: To me, yes that is pay2win. But to a lot of other people it won't be because you never interact with players during the space missions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eszi Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Bioware just reached a completely new level of crap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzagheru Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 wait so theyre available only from cartel shop ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POPsi Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 but if I understood correctly you can now earn BH comms doing space missions, as well as some nice amount of space comms, both of which will result in the same... getting top-end pve gear faster and easier. So it's p2w, even if a bit indirectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tito_O Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 wait so theyre available only from cartel shop ? No. You can also buy them from the Special-Space-Items-vendor (forgot his real name ), for Credits/DaylieComms/FleetComms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EATtheDEAD Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 wait so theyre available only from cartel shop ? No they are attainable in game, but it takes a lot of work to get them. Or you could just buy the pack containing everything you need instantly for real money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtyshadow Posted December 11, 2012 Author Share Posted December 11, 2012 (edited) To me, yes that is pay2win. But to a lot of other people it won't be because you never interact with players during the space missions. the completiion of said space missions results in daily, blackhole and fleet commendations, and credits... ingame currency farming. Also just saw them ingame. I feel really sick in my stomach. Thats just plain disgusting... 2nd interation of cartel market, and its already taken a shady turn. Even if its just the space "mini" game, thats just plain wrong, selling the items that require large volume ingame grinding... I hope this is something they STOP here and never repeat again, cause if it turns up again. The only thing the store should be selling is new ships, ship skins, colour crystals for ships imo... not usable, and top level space combat gear. Edited December 11, 2012 by Dirtyshadow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malkavier Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Bioware just reached a completely new level of crap You forget, it's no longer truly Bioware. The empty shell remains, but the heart and soul of Bioware is all long gone, replaced by EA yes-men and beancounters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UCKFred Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 (edited) I don't consider it to be P2W unless you're actually competing with other players i.e. PVP. My only concern is if the cost they set for going the grinding route is being influenced by trying to get subbers to pay cash instead to obtain these items. That... I would consider to be despicable. Edited December 11, 2012 by UCKFred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EATtheDEAD Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 I don't consider it to be P2W unless you're actually competing with other players i.e. PVP. See OP, what did I say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darklordpotter Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 I don't consider it to be P2W unless you're actually competing with other players i.e. PVP. Problem is throw money at this to gain comms etc very easily rather than running ops/ warzones for the decent gear .. hence ptw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelinCarnate Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 No they are attainable in game, but it takes a lot of work to get them. Or you could just buy the pack containing everything you need instantly for real money. Which is exactly what pay to win is about. Pay to bypass a massive grind and get more BH coms faster than others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzagheru Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 (edited) what a sad path this game is walking, like I anticipated all the shiny fun stuff from now on will be available mostly on cartel shop. only 3 ship upgrades available from vendor, rest are only from cartel shop.. pay2win garbage, last time i resubd. Edited December 11, 2012 by tzagheru Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCanukk Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 what a sad path this game is walking, like I anticipated all the shiny stuff from now on will be available mostly on cartel shop. only 3 ship upgrades available from vendor, rest are only from cartel shop.. pay2win garbage, last time i resubd.a Pay 2 win what?? is there leader boards? are you playing against other players? does the way someone else plays space missions affect your ability to play the game?? You play the way you want to play and they play the way they want to play. Quit crying over something that has utterly no affect on your enjoyment of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoletta Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 For me space missions are a part of the game just as pve and pvp are, so yes this time i call P2W. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DataBeaver Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 This is indeed sad news. It may be circuitous, but the link from real money to in-game power is there. It always starts from small things like this, and before you know it, the entire game turns into pay-to-win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtyshadow Posted December 11, 2012 Author Share Posted December 11, 2012 ... and a real money option to bypass ingame grinding of significant effort. ... and easy and advance access to the completion of new mission for blackhole, daily commendations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toweleeeie Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Nobody cares about Space.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leigabar Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Nobody cares about Space.... I Care and I was hoping to get back from job and play some new missions but it seams that addionaly to the sub I will need to pay once again to be able to play them or grind for atleast a week. This kind of bevahior will not keep me here for long. I just started to regret for resubing... I hope they will change their altitude quickly because I would like to play SWTOR and pay sub for it but I'm just loosing motivation. B.R. Leigabar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glower Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Just two months from F2P start and P2W for space already here! I'm impressed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goretzu Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Just two months from F2P start and P2W for space already here! I'm impressed! Indeed, few thought it would take this short a time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wainot-keel Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 I don't consider it to be P2W unless you're actually competing with other players i.e. PVP. My only concern is if the cost they set for going the grinding route is being influenced by trying to get subbers to pay cash instead to obtain these items. That... I would consider to be despicable. What would be the difference then with buying full Dread Guard set with cartel coins ? That would be P2W. And so it's this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulpp Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 EVERY f2p game eventually slides towards p2w. It's just the reality of the genre/industry. EA is a slimier company than most...look at their other F2P games (like the EAsy ones). If you are surprised it happened or even that it happened this fast -- well, you were being foolish. Enjoy. It's just the beginning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Darkstar Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 I Care and I was hoping to get back from job and play some new missions but it seams that addionaly to the sub I will need to pay once again to be able to play them or grind for atleast a week. Oh noes you will have to play content that you say you enjoy for a whole week!!!! How dare they! I am sure if you open a CS ticket they will just send you everything you are entitled to for free with no effort on your part. Pay2Win is when the best things are ONLY on the market. This is just another option designed to milk the greedy and impatient "Must have it NOW!" crowd and there is nothing wrong with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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