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Is It just me? Are Scouts a bit OP?

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Is It just me? Are Scouts a bit OP?

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Zoom_VI
01.31.2014 , 09:01 AM | #331
Quote: Originally Posted by mr_sim View Post
What? worthless peasants? I'll just assume that's how scout pilots talk bout other classes.
Dude chill you have gone from "I think scouts are a bit OP" to palpable hatred of the very existence of the class over the course of your post history.
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I think the point is that, Strikes loose too much for too little gain. They get an extra "choice" for weapon and are supposed to have this armor thing that is far too often bypassed. But Scouts get an extra cooldown for lack of a third weapon and then they get evasion which makes armor for chumps.
Evasion is only excessive when stacked to obscenely high amounts. If Dfield's active is changed to something that isn't invulnerability most scouts will probably leave it in favor of Directional or quick-charge, particularly as bombers come in with there evasion ignore AoE ordinance. Lesser amounts of passive evasion are fine and somewhat necessary to compensate for the fact that the smallest scout has the exact same hitbox as the largest gunship.
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xxIncubixx
01.31.2014 , 09:12 AM | #332
Quote: Originally Posted by Zoom_VI View Post
Dude chill you have gone from "I think scouts are a bit OP" to palpable hatred of the very existence of the class over the course of your post history.

Evasion is only excessive when stacked to obscenely high amounts. If Dfield's active is changed to something that isn't invulnerability most scouts will probably leave it in favor of Directional or quick-charge, particularly as bombers come in with there evasion ignore AoE ordinance. Lesser amounts of passive evasion are fine and somewhat necessary to compensate for the fact that the smallest scout has the exact same hitbox as the largest gunship.
the problem of evasion IS not on the "scout" class itself... its on the flashfire/sting, on that ship in particular it becomes simply stupid... more firepower ( burst cannons, derp missiles), then a strike fighter, more defense, since well you dont do damage to what you cant hit, + harder to hit especialy if there are tiny spikes of lag. THAT is the only ship that makes GSF meh why fly anything else other then flashfires/stings, for fun maybe but other then that strike fighters and novadive/blackbolt are inferior.

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Zoom_VI
01.31.2014 , 09:24 AM | #333
Quote: Originally Posted by xxIncubixx View Post
the problem of evasion IS not on the "scout" class itself... its on the flashfire/sting, on that ship in particular it becomes simply stupid... more firepower ( burst cannons, derp missiles), then a strike fighter, more defense, since well you dont do damage to what you cant hit, + harder to hit especialy if there are tiny spikes of lag. THAT is the only ship that makes GSF meh why fly anything else other then flashfires/stings, for fun maybe but other then that strike fighters and novadive/blackbolt are inferior.
As I said evasion is only problematic when stacked to obscenely high amounts. Lesser amounts of evasion are not all that bad. Like for non-Dfield a scout can only have 26% max. That means there is a 74% chance that a shot will go through. RNG is RNG, the scout can't control it, he has to always avoid taking fire as gambling on RNG is the fastest way to get yourself killed.

Also Burst lasers are only really effective in the confines of a satellite. However with the introduction of bombers and the EMP weapons in 2.6, doing such close quarters fighting will becomes much more perilous.

Please with all the AoE effect weapons coming in in 2.6 I wouldn't be surprised if two months from now Stings are listed as underpowered since they will be the only class post 2.6 that lacks a AoE control weapon.

Missiles? Seriously your complaining about missiles? Unless your complaining about sabotage probe the Strike has the exact same missile as the Sting and on top of that has other missile options. I fail to see how Strike with clusters is fine and Scout with clusters is blatantly OP.
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xxIncubixx
01.31.2014 , 09:35 AM | #334
Quote: Originally Posted by Zoom_VI View Post
As I said evasion is only problematic when stacked to obscenely high amounts. Lesser amounts of evasion are not all that bad. Like for non-Dfield a scout can only have 26% max. That means there is a 74% chance that a shot will go through. RNG is RNG, the scout can't control it, he has to always avoid taking fire as gambling on RNG is the fastest way to get yourself killed.

Also Burst lasers are only really effective in the confines of a satellite. However with the introduction of bombers and the EMP weapons in 2.6, doing such close quarters fighting will becomes much more perilous.

Please with all the AoE effect weapons coming in in 2.6 I wouldn't be surprised if two months from now Stings are listed as underpowered since they will be the only class post 2.6 that lacks a AoE control weapon.

Missiles? Seriously your complaining about missiles? Unless your complaining about sabotage probe the Strike has the exact same missile as the Sting and on top of that has other missile options. I fail to see how Strike with clusters is fine and Scout with clusters is blatantly OP.

sigh... yes yes its super balanced and its perfect. All those players flying flashfires are ace and were trained on the best airplane super secret division , while the rest are simply tards, n00bs and need 2 l2p.

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RebekahWSD
01.31.2014 , 09:47 AM | #335
I think the key part of what Zoom is saying is that bombers will likely change the balance of power and I agree.

Maybe Flashfires are OP, but we won't really know until we see the complete game next week. All the evasion in the world will be useless against AOE mines and missiles. Let's tone down the hyperbole until at least a week after 2.6.

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tunewalker
01.31.2014 , 09:59 AM | #336
Quote: Originally Posted by RebekahWSD View Post
I think the key part of what Zoom is saying is that bombers will likely change the balance of power and I agree.

Maybe Flashfires are OP, but we won't really know until we see the complete game next week. All the evasion in the world will be useless against AOE mines and missiles. Let's tone down the hyperbole until at least a week after 2.6.
Not to mention other ships are getting buffs along with the bomber inclusion the balance of power is highly likely to shift to being much more balanced, though i am worried Bombers arent going to be strong enough, but we will see.

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mr_sim
01.31.2014 , 04:06 PM | #337
Quote: Originally Posted by Zoom_VI View Post
Dude chill you have gone from "I think scouts are a bit OP" to palpable hatred of the very existence of the class over the course of your post history.
"Dude" don't make a cheap attack like that, trying to accuse me that I'm getting aggravated. That's teenager BS and you otherwise seem like an adult in these forums. Seriously If I wasn't "Chill" I'd have been raging a long time ago, yet there is no evidence of that.

I saw the words "Worthless Peasants" and my brain couldn't get a handle on what the guy was saying and still can't figure it out. What could Peasants have to do with Star Wars anyway? It doesn't even fit a Lore angle.

Accuse me of what you will in this thread but I have remained active and moderated the focus of this thread well enough that it is the longest thread in GSF forum that has actual discussion(see: GSF records thread for THE longest). I was even willing to let it die but someone else resurrected it and here the discussion continues.

Fact: Many Scout pilots have been very antagonistic in this thread and many others too. The Scout more then any class has been seen as out of balance. I understand how hard it is to stare at potential nerf discussion, my main is Sniper and I'm staring at my AOE the best in the game about to get lobotomized to fall to middle of the pack. But I also understand being a class that is stuck at the back of the group and unappreciated because of it. That same Sniper in Game One Point Early was a chump to any Sorc/sage DPS for a very long time.

In Early Game certain classes were the Devs favorites and others were filler and fought like filler too. This thread among many things asks that question as well. "Did the Devs Love the Scout too much?"

I loved my sniper so much that I stuck with it and eventually I was rewarded, it finally owns the way a Pure DPS should. I feel the same about my Strikers they should feel on par with any other class, but this time I'm not going to wait so quietly for that to happen.
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RebekahWSD
01.31.2014 , 05:17 PM | #338
Quote: Originally Posted by mr_sim View Post

I saw the words "Worthless Peasants" and my brain couldn't get a handle on what the guy was saying and still can't figure it out. What could Peasants have to do with Star Wars anyway? It doesn't even fit a Lore angle.
OK just to explain this: it was a metaphor. It was said that Evasion was "king" in the game right now. All other defensive elements were "peasants" by comparison. It was in no way a personal attack on anyone.

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mr_sim
01.31.2014 , 05:20 PM | #339
Quote: Originally Posted by RebekahWSD View Post
OK just to explain this: it was a metaphor. It was said that Evasion was "king" in the game right now. All other defensive elements were "peasants" by comparison. It was in no way a personal attack on anyone.
Well then there is a lesson in metaphors, they have to be fitting to the audience.

A bad Metaphor is like
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Zoom_VI
01.31.2014 , 06:03 PM | #340
Quote: Originally Posted by mr_sim View Post
Well then there is a lesson in metaphors, they have to be fitting to the audience.

A bad Metaphor is like
Considering pretty much all High school educations include history at some point, not to mention large number of pop culture references in movies and such, "peasants" is a term that is well known enough to have meaning for pretty much the vast majority of adults with any form of education. Of course there are always exceptions but lowering the forum down to the lowest common denominator is ridiculous.

Also for someone accusing scouts of being "antagonistic" you yourself are trying very hard to prove yourself a hypocrite with your petty attacks on others some of which are not even disagreeing with you.
Crinn

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