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Mainstat (PVE NMEC)


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SalBasss
03.08.2013 , 01:00 PM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by steave View Post
On most fights, that's a decent one (except you should throw in heat blast as mentioned by someone for extra off-GCD damage and heat venting) but on this fight you need your taunt for the tank swap not long after so I wouldn't risk more than 2 attacks (after the charge) before using the single target taunt, then do 4 more attacks and aoe taunt.
Unless of course they aren't even doing a tank swap.

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gabigool
03.08.2013 , 02:23 PM | #12
We do swap in NM.

I really wasn't asking "how to tank".

I'm wondering if anyone has bumped up their mainstat to assist with threat and if so, what rough level of Aim are they up to (assuming full 63's).

For NM tanks, this would seem preferable to asking a DPS to hold back, even minimally, given the tightness of the enrage timer. The threat put out by a well played optimized 63's pyro is no joke especially when a taunt has to be planned for.

Seems like from the one or two relevant responses, no one is doing it but might be worth trying a few mod/armoring swaps.

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steave
03.08.2013 , 04:15 PM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by SalBasss View Post
Unless of course they aren't even doing a tank swap.
Ty captain obvious.

Quote: Originally Posted by gabigool View Post
We do swap in NM.

I really wasn't asking "how to tank".

I'm wondering if anyone has bumped up their mainstat to assist with threat and if so, what rough level of Aim are they up to (assuming full 63's).

For NM tanks, this would seem preferable to asking a DPS to hold back, even minimally, given the tightness of the enrage timer. The threat put out by a well played optimized 63's pyro is no joke especially when a taunt has to be planned for.

Seems like from the one or two relevant responses, no one is doing it but might be worth trying a few mod/armoring swaps.
The point is that if you guard that pyro and use taunts to boost your threat as described here you'll hold aggro no matter what, so no, since I do that I haven't done anything to boost my mainstat.

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Marb
03.10.2013 , 04:54 AM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by gabigool View Post
We do swap in NM.

I really wasn't asking "how to tank".

I'm wondering if anyone has bumped up their mainstat to assist with threat and if so, what rough level of Aim are they up to (assuming full 63's).

For NM tanks, this would seem preferable to asking a DPS to hold back, even minimally, given the tightness of the enrage timer. The threat put out by a well played optimized 63's pyro is no joke especially when a taunt has to be planned for.

Seems like from the one or two relevant responses, no one is doing it but might be worth trying a few mod/armoring swaps.
Yet you said your PT was having threat issues on stormcaller, which would lead most to assume that they *do* need some tanking tips. They have enough time to boost with their single taunt within the first few GCD's, boosting off that with their aoe taunt before they will need to swap. Rather then force your PT to look into re-gearing outside of what is comfortable for most healers, how about you ensure he/she is playing properly. You never *need* to stack any main stat gear at all to hold threat with a powertech, or any of the tank classes for that matter, due to the way taunt mechanics can be utilised.

Before dropping endurance gear, check to see if they are taking the points out of Integrated Cardio Package, and picking up Iron Fist. Assuming full 63's with a stim and a proper spec, you will be *just* inside the 25k health buffer with high endurance everything, which is considered to be the maximum health you would ever want to have inside of 8man content. Now on to choosing high manstat gear over endurance; if your healer doesn't need a buffer zone to assist in reaction time, then yes, the pt can drop endurance for aim. I have tanked NiMC tanks with a 24k health jugg with little risk, so you could look at going down to 22-23k. A large health buffer here is only serving the purpose of saving the tank on storm from a bad pillar kite, or slow healer reaction time.

You could also try asking your pyro to not use adrenal, relic and fuel until the first swap. Its not the same as asking for him to hold off for a few GCD's, it will just keep his opening burst down so he doesn't spike over the tank by a massive amount before they can get ahead. A pyro in full 63's opening up with adrenal, explosive fuel and relic is going to give any tank who is not expecting it a real headache like you said. If its a learning experience and progression, then there is even more reason to try this. The enrage timer is a factor, but assuming you're running with competent dps, there is no way that loosing out on that opening adrenal, relic, fuel combo will cost you the kill.

Quote: Originally Posted by steave View Post
The point is that if you guard that pyro and use taunts to boost your threat as described here you'll hold aggro no matter what, so no, since I do that I haven't done anything to boost my mainstat.
Yep.
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