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Server Merge Discussion Thread

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Server Merge Discussion Thread
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kodrac
08.07.2017 , 01:14 PM | #1981
Quote: Originally Posted by Talon_strikes View Post
Honestly, this is the internet. Anyone that's complaining about toxicity on the internet needs to take some self-initiative, do things like report and ignore and just plain grow a thicker skin. Server merges should not be negated especially just because a few internet trolls might hurt your feelings.
Typical. Just because you're desensitized and/or a troll yourself doesn't mean everyone can and should be.
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Id find it hard to believe this sort of thing goes on in the preferential treatment forum.
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or Kodrac, for saying everything I want to say, but he takes one for team and gets a warning.

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Ratajack
08.07.2017 , 01:29 PM | #1982
Quote: Originally Posted by Force-Jedi View Post
To me the Idea of merging servers means bringing people together so we can all enjoy the content swtor has to offer.
Now I play on the EU Servers so I'm not familiar with US servers as much but I can tell you there is only one server in the EU that's not literally dead The Red Eclipse. My old server (Tomb of Freedon Nadd) has literally 10 people on the fleet max, 10, 10 poor souls left on a barren world and I imagine its the same on many servers. These people deserve to be able to experience the swtor we do. The question for Europe is not "should we?" but "when will we?"
Those 10 "poor souls" on ToFN may well be there because they do NOT want to be on what they may feel is an "overpopulated server". If those 10 "poor souls" do not do group content or do their group content with friends and guild mates (and therefore do not use the LFG tool) and WANT to play on a less populated server, why FORCE them to move to an overpopulated server?

If any of those 10 "poor souls" want to play on a more populated server, they can do so NOW. All it takes is a simple transfer.

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IoNonSoEVero
08.07.2017 , 01:51 PM | #1983
In terms of trolling: when one's paying for a game that is supposed to be enjoyable, they shouldn't have to open themselves up to being harassed or verbally abused. The onus is on the game devs and mods to keep it under control and create spaces that feel comfortable to players. Not on the player to "get a thicker skin" and constantly weather the attacks.

If players are saying over and over again that they find the climate at one server or another to be hostile, and wouldn't be happy there, and that it would potentially drive them from the game altogether if they were forced to go there - it needs to be taken seriously.

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TUXs
08.07.2017 , 02:16 PM | #1984
Quote: Originally Posted by IoNonSoEVero View Post
In terms of trolling: when one's paying for a game that is supposed to be enjoyable, they shouldn't have to open themselves up to being harassed or verbally abused. The onus is on the game devs and mods to keep it under control and create spaces that feel comfortable to players. Not on the player to "get a thicker skin" and constantly weather the attacks.
What has Bioware ever done to make this a reality? I have NEVER seen a GM in-game. I have NEVER seen vulgar public speakers silenced. Bioware needs to take control of it, I agree...but they never have. The trolling hurts their game...how they fail to comprehend that is beyond me.
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MeNaCe-NZ
08.07.2017 , 03:16 PM | #1985
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
What has Bioware ever done to make this a reality? I have NEVER seen a GM in-game. I have NEVER seen vulgar public speakers silenced. Bioware needs to take control of it, I agree...but they never have. The trolling hurts their game...how they fail to comprehend that is beyond me.
They fail to do anything about bots etc. that most likely cost them money (I say most likely because tin foil hat mode has me wondering if they are somehow involved themselves if not a rogue dev - there is big money in credit selling) so I can't see them ever doing anything about the trolls especially since in my experience most seem to pay for their trolling privilege (demonstrated by how often they can post).

They should do something to expand the ignore list though, it's miserably small. From there it's not that much of an issue just to ignore and carry on.

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Storm-Cutter
08.07.2017 , 03:32 PM | #1986
For the issue of names. - Subs > anyone else. Pref over F2P.
If there are 2 subs - longest sub time should have first dibs. - Any losers in the names race should get a free rename.

Obviously this should not apply to names that have been created in the last few months - since people would try to carpet bag stuff, knowing their sub has been going a long time.

- I don't see why some of the old quiet / dead servers shouldn't remain, but when one selects a server, a popup can warn that this is a low-population server, for people who like to solo stuff, RP with their friends and not do as much group content. - You can have the option then, it can also state how to transfer if you are on an overpopulated /under-populated server.

OFC guilds splitting and who retains the assets ( guild ship, decos etc) is a tricky issue, but I'm sure you can issue a guild chip purchase certificate to whoever remains and maybe split any decos between the remaining guild and the leaving guild, maybe with a few extra thrown in for each- in order to at least fill all the empty hooks, so they don't lose their prestige status.

the pain of merges is nothing compared to the pain of waiting for groups, WZ pops, not being able to sell / buy on the GTN and all the other headaches.
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IoNonSoEVero
08.07.2017 , 03:37 PM | #1987
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
What has Bioware ever done to make this a reality? I have NEVER seen a GM in-game. I have NEVER seen vulgar public speakers silenced. Bioware needs to take control of it, I agree...but they never have. The trolling hurts their game...how they fail to comprehend that is beyond me.
I do totally agree with you. I pretty much keep all the chat windows and whispers off because there's so much garbage, even on the nicer servers.

And I think this point is another compelling reason why server culture does need to be carefully considered, and everyone shouldn't be herded into a server like Harb. There *won't* be anything done about trolling and harassment, and it *will* drive people away from the game.

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Foambreaker
08.07.2017 , 03:44 PM | #1988
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
What has Bioware ever done to make this a reality? I have NEVER seen a GM in-game. I have NEVER seen vulgar public speakers silenced. Bioware needs to take control of it, I agree...but they never have. The trolling hurts their game...how they fail to comprehend that is beyond me.
One day I was out on my boat, in Felucca (UO), with my wife. We met another boat and she proceeded to RP with the other player, who then replied "FU" to her

She killed him so fast it was comical, we dry looted him and took his boat as well.


The point is this is an instanced game, we cannot extract justice or silence the annoying ourselves. It has to be done by paid staff which is a super expensive feature because it is never done. These are full time staff that stay forever.


Soon it will be cheaper to get us a new engine and add XServer queues...

Server Merge is a financial bust, they have to be figuring this out by now. So much effort and no features. Plus lost revenue from transfers and the potential for lost subs.

Devs: We will understand if you change your minds! Imagine trying to talk to several players on Sat night to decide what happened and how to police that particular behavior?

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fushnchips
08.07.2017 , 04:26 PM | #1989
Quote: Originally Posted by Foambreaker View Post
One day I was out on my boat, in Felucca (UO), with my wife. We met another boat and she proceeded to RP with the other player, who then replied "FU" to her

She killed him so fast it was comical, we dry looted him and took his boat as well.


The point is this is an instanced game, we cannot extract justice or silence the annoying ourselves. It has to be done by paid staff which is a super expensive feature because it is never done. These are full time staff that stay forever.


Soon it will be cheaper to get us a new engine and add XServer queues...

Server Merge is a financial bust, they have to be figuring this out by now. So much effort and no features. Plus lost revenue from transfers and the potential for lost subs.

Devs: We will understand if you change your minds! Imagine trying to talk to several players on Sat night to decide what happened and how to police that particular behavior?
They need to do something about it they are just not caring about subs and the in game culture within the game structure of SWTOR no player should have to deal with people talking about rape, suicide, and plain old nasty sexual based chat within the game if Final Fantasy XIV can control how people treat players in game then this game can as well it's not as if SWTOR has the player base that would be hard to monitor compared to FFXIV but they get it done and lead with a fine example of dealing with the in game trash.
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xordevoreaux
08.07.2017 , 04:37 PM | #1990
Quote: Originally Posted by Foambreaker View Post
Server Merge is a financial bust, they have to be figuring this out by now. So much effort and no features. Plus lost revenue from transfers and the potential for lost subs.
If the loss of 90cc and 150cc transfers busts EA's bottom line, the game is worse off than any of us know.
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