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Ratajack
06.20.2017 , 09:38 AM | #941
Quote: Originally Posted by Icykill_ View Post
About 2/3rds the size or maybe just under that
I think that is an understatement for the population of Ebon Hawk.


Ebon hawk is the second most populated server, after Harbinger.

Yet, the actual screen shots posted by another poster, show that JC generally averages about 80% (far greater than 2/3) of Hrabingers population.

If what is at best the third highest populated server, after Harbinger and Ebon Hawk, runs at an average of 80% of Harbinger, how could Ebon Hawk, the second highest populated server, have opnly 2/3 (or less) of Harbonger's population?

It may be just me, but IMO, there seems to be a pattern developing among those who advocate server merges (or rely upon the LFG tool for their group content) of finding some fault (even if they have to invent or drastically over-exaggerate that fault) with any server that is NOT Harbinger and downplaying (or simply dismissing out of hand) any fault that Harbinger has.

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HuaRya
06.20.2017 , 10:56 AM | #942
After reading pages of swarm posts I just need to do a little summary of the role player types just so I understand....

RP'ers:

Infrequently participate in Operations, Flashpoints, PVP, GSF, & Events (maybe)
View people LFG on fleet as deplorable spammers
Prefer empty planets or their strongholds/guildships in which to conduct their role playing
Avoid Fleet at all costs
Have a die hard group of best friend guildies who have played faithfully since launch

Seems like this demographic of player is juxtaposed to a successful or healthy MMO in a traditional sense. As I've analogized before nobody wants to eat in an empty restaurant versus a full one and yet they immediately replied and backed each other up that they love empty restaurants. Funny thing is those restaurants that sit empty month after month go out of business.

My theory is that if they boiled 17 servers down to around 5 the game would be healthier & more MMO type players would return to the game because they can do group PVE/PVP and the RP'ers would still be here.
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TUXs
06.20.2017 , 11:18 AM | #943
Quote: Originally Posted by HuaRya View Post
My theory is that if they boiled 17 servers down to around 5 the game would be healthier & more MMO type players would return to the game because they can do group PVE/PVP and the RP'ers would still be here.
I absolutely agree with you.
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AscendingSky
06.20.2017 , 11:26 AM | #944
Quote: Originally Posted by HuaRya View Post
After reading pages of swarm posts I just need to do a little summary of the role player types just so I understand....

RP'ers:

Infrequently participate in Operations, Flashpoints, PVP, GSF, & Events (maybe)
View people LFG on fleet as deplorable spammers
Prefer empty planets or their strongholds/guildships in which to conduct their role playing
Avoid Fleet at all costs
Have a die hard group of best friend guildies who have played faithfully since launch

Seems like this demographic of player is juxtaposed to a successful or healthy MMO in a traditional sense. As I've analogized before nobody wants to eat in an empty restaurant versus a full one and yet they immediately replied and backed each other up that they love empty restaurants. Funny thing is those restaurants that sit empty month after month go out of business.

My theory is that if they boiled 17 servers down to around 5 the game would be healthier & more MMO type players would return to the game because they can do group PVE/PVP and the RP'ers would still be here.
I don't know where you got most of your 'summary' of RPers, because it certainly wasn't from the comments of the actual RPers in this thread. Sounds more like you're building yourself yet another pro-merger strawman for people to beat in this thread. Please stop. There's enough legitimate points of debate and contention without you inventing some at whim and throwing them into the mix to stir the pot.

As far as whether the RPers would still be here if you do merges? If you take away not only an RPer's character names, but also their expensive outfit selections with rare dyes, their meticulously designed strongholds, and their flagships that took them multiple years to unlock? They won't stay, trust me.
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Ratajack
06.20.2017 , 11:30 AM | #945
Quote: Originally Posted by HuaRya View Post
After reading pages of swarm posts I just need to do a little summary of the role player types just so I understand....

RP'ers:

Infrequently participate in Operations, Flashpoints, PVP, GSF, & Events (maybe)
View people LFG on fleet as deplorable spammers
Prefer empty planets or their strongholds/guildships in which to conduct their role playing
Avoid Fleet at all costs
Have a die hard group of best friend guildies who have played faithfully since launch

Seems like this demographic of player is juxtaposed to a successful or healthy MMO in a traditional sense. As I've analogized before nobody wants to eat in an empty restaurant versus a full one and yet they immediately replied and backed each other up that they love empty restaurants. Funny thing is those restaurants that sit empty month after month go out of business.

My theory is that if they boiled 17 servers down to around 5 the game would be healthier & more MMO type players would return to the game because they can do group PVE/PVP and the RP'ers would still be here.
Not even a single ONE of your "stereotypes" of RP'ers is anything close to factual. Continuing to portray them as you have thus chosen to portray them is an attack of their play style and could be reported as such, if it has not already been reported.

RP'ers may not rely upon the LFG tool for their group content, but that does not, in any way, mean they do not participate in group content.

RP'ers do not 'avoid fleet at all costs" or "prefer empty planets or their strongholds/guildships in which to conduct their role playing". They will RP almost anywhere. They simply prefer an environment which is at least tolerant of their play style (if not supportive) and in which they do not have to worry about other players try8ing to grief them.


One thing will generally apply everyone, though. Server merges will not magically make a player who chooses not engage in a particular "play style" to suddenly fall in love with that "play style" or even try that "play style". A player who chooses not to PVP will not suddenly become LFG fodder for those who rely upon the LFG tool for their PVP content. The player who chooses to do their group content with friends and guild mates will not suddenly become LFG fodder for those whop rely upon the LFG tool (and/or spamming fleet for random players) for their group content.

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Foambreaker
06.20.2017 , 11:31 AM | #946
Quote: Originally Posted by HuaRya View Post
After reading pages of swarm posts I just need to do a little summary of the role player types just so I understand....

RP'ers:

Infrequently participate in Operations, Flashpoints, PVP, GSF, & Events (maybe)
View people LFG on fleet as deplorable spammers
Prefer empty planets or their strongholds/guildships in which to conduct their role playing
Avoid Fleet at all costs
Have a die hard group of best friend guildies who have played faithfully since launch

Seems like this demographic of player is juxtaposed to a successful or healthy MMO in a traditional sense. As I've analogized before nobody wants to eat in an empty restaurant versus a full one and yet they immediately replied and backed each other up that they love empty restaurants. Funny thing is those restaurants that sit empty month after month go out of business.

My theory is that if they boiled 17 servers down to around 5 the game would be healthier & more MMO type players would return to the game because they can do group PVE/PVP and the RP'ers would still be here.
Way to garbage an otherwise productive discussion.

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DWho
06.20.2017 , 11:37 AM | #947
I have an idea. Lets shut down all the west coast servers and create one in Japan, Korea, or Australia for the APAC players. Ping wont be too bad for the true west coast players. The east coast/midwest players on Harbinger will be forced back to the east coast servers swelling their populations. Solves three problems: gets rid of the unstable Harbinger server, gives APAC players an option with reasonable ping, and takes care of the east coast server population problems. No need for mergers.

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Andryah
06.20.2017 , 11:40 AM | #948
Quote: Originally Posted by HuaRya View Post
After reading pages of swarm posts I just need to do a little summary of the role player types just so I understand....

RP'ers:

Infrequently participate in Operations, Flashpoints, PVP, GSF, & Events (maybe)
View people LFG on fleet as deplorable spammers
Prefer empty planets or their strongholds/guildships in which to conduct their role playing
Avoid Fleet at all costs
Have a die hard group of best friend guildies who have played faithfully since launch

Seems like this demographic of player is juxtaposed to a successful or healthy MMO in a traditional sense. As I've analogized before nobody wants to eat in an empty restaurant versus a full one and yet they immediately replied and backed each other up that they love empty restaurants. Funny thing is those restaurants that sit empty month after month go out of business.
^^ Pejorative attack ad against RPers... using innuendo, alternative facts, and bias. In other words, incorrect, and designed to provoke rather then discuss.
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Andryah
06.20.2017 , 11:41 AM | #949
Quote: Originally Posted by Janglor View Post
If you arent on Harb, you literally do not matter. Barely above F2P.
Comments like this are EXACTLY why so many players refuse to play on Harbinger.
When you find yourself surrounded by hostile Clowns... always go for the "Juggler" first.

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Ratajack
06.20.2017 , 11:45 AM | #950
Quote: Originally Posted by DWho View Post
I have an idea. Lets shut down all the west coast servers and create one in Japan, Korea, or Australia for the APAC players. Ping wont be too bad for the true west coast players. The east coast/midwest players on Harbinger will be forced back to the east coast servers swelling their populations. Solves three problems: gets rid of the unstable Harbinger server, gives APAC players an option with reasonable ping, and takes care of the east coast server population problems. No need for mergers.
Why punish the East coast servers by forcing them to accept any of the toxicity of Harbinger?