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Login Rewards in 6.2 - Feedback
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IvanFyodorovich
11.17.2020 , 02:18 AM | #51
How about adding reputation trophies to the subscriber rewards? Could it check to work out which ones you haven't finished yet?

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Xina_LA
11.17.2020 , 08:17 PM | #52
I went back and thought about rewards I would like and find worth the effort.
The ones I'm most interested in are at the top:

* Cartel coins
* Cartel certificates
* Reward tokens -- KDY Construction Kits, Recovered Relics, etc.
* Event tokens -- Gray Helix Components, Rakghoul DNA Canisters, Symbiotic Fungal Bloom, Exotic Plague Specimen, Barnacle of the Eyeless, Iokath power shards, and swoop racing tokens.
* Reputation tokens for the factions that are harder to complete or take a lot of grind, such as Galactic Solutions Industries, Imperial First Mobile Fleet, Imperial Forward Command, and Republic equivalents.
* Tech fragments
* Social XP boosters
* Credits (at least 25k)
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OlBuzzard
11.18.2020 , 12:12 PM | #53
I've taken the time to read over this carefully. My own observations:
*** UI ***
Please make this customizable. I really would hate to see all of the GOOD stuff be overshadowed with another item that catches a lot of unnecessary flak. Yes, that sort of thing is more time consuming to design but in the end the feed back from the community at large will be MUCH better. Yes ... some will gripe regardless. But that's another matter. A customizable UI (like the main UI) would be ideal.

***Rewards***
??? Really? PvP will not matter to me. Regardless. Sorry. There should be equal availability for either PvP or PvE. I do think that what you are doing for the PvP community is to be commended. But don't forget the other half of the community.

The nature of the rewards frankly is somewhat ... well ... almost useless to many (my apologies ... but I'm guessing you'd prefer the truth). Several good suggestions for better rewards have been made. Some of my own might be:
** certificates that could be saved up for :
1. Companions customization packs that have yet to be made (some REALLY nice ones). These would be BOP not BOE (that should keep them off the GTN)

2. Really nice and unusual SH items. (Also BOP)
3. Specific gear mods / enhancements that are NOT RNG (these might take a while to earn)... also BOP !
4. No pets please ( I like them .... but have plenty !)
5. A unique selection of mounts to choose from ( might even review some that aren't currently available ) ALSO BOP !
6. MAYBE a "vendor" that we could use at one of our SH to select rewards from as we need or desire to ??
7. Periodic review of the rewards system. Someone might just hit the nail on the head and come up with a real winner that a LOT of folks would like ... ( HEY !! Stranger things have been known to happen!! )

[EDIT: all rewards should be BOP / Legacy... sorry I flat forgot this earlier]
I really didn't want to answer this right up front. Wanted to "mull it over" a bit first.

Come to think of it ... there is one other thing that I would like (for me personally) to add to the list !
That shinny new space station strong hold I've been askin' for !



OK ... maybe not for this reward !

But now that I do have your attention:

Above all please review over ALL of these replies. I do believe that the team is trying to find some additional means of showing appreciation for "logging in" ... Just please take the time to take all of the suggestions made here to heart !




EDITED ... (again)
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Galandro
11.18.2020 , 04:29 PM | #54
Quote: Originally Posted by CommunityTeam View Post

  • Were you able to easily locate the Login Reward system?
Yep.

Quote: Originally Posted by CommunityTeam View Post

  • Do you feel the addition of the Subscriber Weekly Bonus provides additional value to your subscription?
This is my first experience with login rewards, so I don’t really have a frame of reference, but after a week, I don’t feel like I’ve received much additional value. I realize that balancing rewards that are useful to new players and veteran players alike is an impossible task, but currently they are skewing very hard towards being new player friendly. That’s fine, but expect veteran players to complain like they’ve gotten socks for Christmas.

That said the rewards are pretty weak even for new players. White quality companion gifts are nearly worthless these days and a few jawa junk won’t really help anyone raise their crafting skill. As for the credit tokens, the absolute last thing SWTOR’s economy needs is more money pumped into it, whether it’s 1k or 100k.

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  • Does the reward structure feel good? Do you feel that items near the end of a calendar are of higher value?
The end of the week rewards were the only ones that piqued my interest. A free bit of valor isn’t bad and the purple sparkle powder is something fun and unique. However, 5 powder does not last long at all. I’d trade all those white companion gifts for a few more powders.

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  • In general, which rewards are the most/least valuable to you?
The only rewards I’d consider valuable are the ones I can’t get elsewhere. I simply don’t need poor quality companion gifts and I have stacks and stacks of jawa junk clogging my cargo bay already.

A daily reward of an extra fleet pass, or quick travel to a world boss location or a token that I can use from some extra renown or conquest points or social points could come in handy without being game breaking.

I’m not saying I expect platinum quality CM loot just for logging on everyday, but so far the most of the rewards seem like stuff I’m going to get anyway just playing anyway. More of the same doesn’t really feel like a reward.

I’d welcome extra tokens from the Gree/Rakghoul/etc events. CM Certs are nice, but I’d also hope the Cartel Bazaar vendors get updated as well. The Market’s backlog is deep enough that more stuff could be put on the vendors. Some of the old sets are ridiculously expensive simply because they haven’t been available for a long time. This is especially true of decorations that haven’t been available since their packs were discontinued.

There is also a lot of retired gear that could be reintroduced to players: old flashpoint and operations sets that were removed when the ops were scaled and the flashpoints level synced. There are also tons of level 48-50 recipes that were removed from the trainers during Fallen Empire. Giving players new cosmetic stuff to craft or trade on the GTN is always a good thing.

And, yes, every once in a while, there are should be something freaking awesome, something unique to the rewards system, something other players will stop and notice and want, something at least on par with top tier CM loot: a cool armor set or selection of weapons or an over-the-top mount. Pull out all the stops.

Quote: Originally Posted by CommunityTeam View Post

  • After spending some time with Login Rewards, are there any aspects of the system which remain unclear to you?
I guess my main question is this: is the new system designed for brand new players or more veteran players?

Is the reward system account based or legacy based? If I have characters on other servers will I have to log on to them daily as well?

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  • There are 3 Login Reward calendars to go through. In general, how do you feel about this? Do you feel it will help in keeping the Login Reward system fresh and exciting?
I’m certain encouraging anticipation is the main goal of the system. “If I keep logging for x more days, I’ll get that cool thing!” Right? That means the thing does need to be cool. Obviously, there is no one thing that all players will want, so the system should be cycling in different rewards to wanted by different types of players.

Look, it was cool to get purple sparkle powder on the PTS today, because SPARKLE POWDER!!!!!, but I understand others not giving a flip about it.

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DavidStaats
11.19.2020 , 08:51 AM | #55 This is the last staff post in this thread.  
Hi all!

First and foremost, thank you for the excellent feedback regarding Login Rewards. I would like to go over some points I have seen and talk a little more about them!

More Unique Rewards
Our goal with the Login Reward system is to allow itself to continually cycle between the Reward Calendars. As such, the rewards are intentionally designed to include consumable-style items all players can use, rather than (one-time) unique items. Adding unique rewards to the Reward Calendars is not currently in our plans for the Login Reward system all players will have access to.

That being said, we know that these unique rewards are what you want to see!

One place you may find unique rewards appear is in the Weekly Subscriber Bonus Reward track. We have designed the back end (developer side) of this specific reward track to allow us flexibility to provide more robust (and unique) rewards versus that of the shared Login Reward track. In addition, we have further plans of ways to provide exciting and exclusive unique rewards, which...well….we can’t go into that yet, but the Login Reward System is the first step in a larger whole!

Changing Reward Calendars
One of the points we have seen is in regards to the Reward Calendars, and feeling like you are stuck into one you may not find value in (for instance, you are a PvE centric player who gets the “Aggressive Negotiations” Reward Calendar). As I mentioned in my last post, the reward structure for all Reward Calendars is almost identical, save for the Calendar-Defining rewards. This was intended to alleviate this, but the concern is valid.

I would like to clarify that the Reward Calendars will never immediately repeat themselves - once you complete a Reward Calendar, you will not (and cannot) be immediately put into that same Reward Calendar. Rather, you will be given a new Reward Calendar based on the remaining two Reward Calendars. For example, I completed the ‘Strength In Allies’ Reward Calendar, and will then move into either the ‘Aggressive Negotiations’ or the ‘United Efforts’ Reward Calendars. I will never have two of the same Reward Calendars back-to-back.

That being the case we have been discussing additional options for this, and will continue to monitor feedback regarding it.

Thank you all again!
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Darthjantom
11.19.2020 , 09:59 AM | #56
If more unique rewards on the calendars isn't an option, how about adding the possibility of some unique drops/rewards from the crates/packs that are rewarded for the 7th day log-in rewards?

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mike_carton
11.19.2020 , 10:12 AM | #57
The following seems unnecessarily complicated and still based on RNG.
Quote: Originally Posted by DavidStaats View Post
I would like to clarify that the Reward Calendars will never immediately repeat themselves - once you complete a Reward Calendar, you will not (and cannot) be immediately put into that same Reward Calendar. Rather, you will be given a new Reward Calendar based on the remaining two Reward Calendars. For example, I completed the ‘Strength In Allies’ Reward Calendar, and will then move into either the ‘Aggressive Negotiations’ or the ‘United Efforts’ Reward Calendars. I will never have two of the same Reward Calendars back-to-back.
This can be made player-friendly very easily, so people can plan their game-playing. Create a fixed sequence of calendars - eliminate RNG. For example: ‘Aggressive Negotiations’, ‘Strength In Allies’, ‘United Efforts’. In that order always.
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snave
11.19.2020 , 10:12 AM | #58
Quote: Originally Posted by DavidStaats View Post

Thank you all again!
I have faith he has the Staats to back up these decisions.

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casirabit
11.19.2020 , 10:25 AM | #59
Thank you for your response.


I think I can understand why you want to reserve the unique reward for the weekly subscriber. That actually makes sense to reward your subscribers for their subscription. Yes, I know some will say well you get cartel coins, but having a special reward for subscribers that log on actually makes sense.
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OlBuzzard
11.19.2020 , 11:35 AM | #60
Quote: Originally Posted by casirabit View Post
Thank you for your response.


I think I can understand why you want to reserve the unique reward for the weekly subscriber. That actually makes sense to reward your subscribers for their subscription. Yes, I know some will say well you get cartel coins, but having a special reward for subscribers that log on actually makes sense.
Well said : +1 support !

Additional input ... It's good to review and listen to feed back. (Even if mine is a bit off the beaten path ... from time to time )

As for the CC ... as long as we can save them up and have access to that "something special" ... that works for me !

IMO ... there has been a lot of good ideas and suggestions kicked around this time !!
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