Conquest lost its shape and purpose

How can we determine something is "wrong" or "right" that is 100% subjective? It's an opinion what is good or bad, fun or not! If this guy expresses he finds conquest not as enjoyable as he once did, he's not wrong, it's his opinion. For him, "it's lost its shape and purpose."

Since when can we not have opposing ideas or opinions? Also, this is a game, right? You guys are discussing a game ffs! Why so serious, and why so mean?

I am dismayed people have made this a personal vendetta versus individuals instead of making it about the ideas presented and simply keeping it on point and on topic. At no point should anyone encourage others en masse to "ignore" someone just because their idea isn't agreeable lol.

I don't view the OP as a troll, and his intentions seem genuine he seems to be venting about changes he doesn't like to conquest, and he is offering ideas as best he can that he thinks would improve conquest. Isn't that what the forums are for?

You know we had some really lengthy and productive conversations about conquest years back now, when the initial bad changes happened to conquest.

Instead of bothering here, I'd probably try to find some of them. They had many nice ideas, and thoughts on how to make conquest better none of which were used btw.

You got to understand many people even quit the game over those conquest changes. So, many people agreed that the direction conquest went was bad.

Most likely most of those people left, and what you got now are people who are content with how conquest is now. Also, people are so used to conquest being utter garbage, these newest changes probably seem 100 times better just because of that.

I guess I fail to see what's so offensive by the OP though maybe I missed it, but I didn't see any attacks by him, or insults at others, I didn't see him try to troll anyone. It just seems a bit disproportionate, the amount of backlash he is getting for simply saying he thinks conquest now is garbage.

No, I mean because you guys aren't being civilized. A lot of you have been piling on ad hominem attacks and then patting each other on the back for using such attacks. This is what I mean by "witchhunt." If all you can do is offer personal attacks and a blacklist campaign in return, you haven't a leg to stand on.

You must be on a different server. 9 times out of 10 when I ask if anyone wants to do heroics, I'm met with the proverbial echo.


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Alright, maybe it's because so many people troll Fleet and capital planet Gen Chat. Players in-turn disable it and never see anyone asking for help with the heroics. That points to a problem that requires another thread.

Maybe you should go back to the beginning where a lot of people, including myself said they needed to add some extra points for group activities. Now how is that attacking? It wasn't until he started ignoring those and kept making snide comments that the conquest now only takes 10 minutes. I have yet to do a weekly/flashpoint that takes 10 minutes and even the heroics I do take longer than 10 minutes. He is so focused on the easy items or stuff like the "taxi" (which by the way is not for level 75) or the junk vendor (which by the way I have yet to get) that he doesn't take into consideration other items. Does the story for Koet take 10 minutes per chapter? Haha that would be nice but most of those take up to 30 minutes or longer.

The problem is the OP keeps changing his mind about what he is arguing about. It would seem that he would have agreed with people that said that those points needed adjusted but no he still kept arguing because it would indicate that he wanted the conquest to go back to his way and only his way. That is the evidence he has presented because when it is shown that people agreed with him about the points being adjusted, he changed his tune so when you look at the evidence he has shown, it has never been about the points, it has always been about he is upset that more people can enjoy the conquest their way.

Maybe you should go back to the beginning where a lot of people, including myself said they needed to add some extra points for group activities.

The problem is the OP keeps changing his mind about what he is arguing about.

I'm sure other's have mentioned this before but is it possible that the 2xp has been the reason why the numbers look so skewed? People gaining levels really quick while leveling new characters or gaining renown levels really quick because of the extra xp people are earning. Maybe once the 2xp is over we can revisit this and get a better idea of how the cq numbers really are

It is not a bad question! However, these type of things don't require some fancy dev analytics tools. It can be tested out by a normal player just fine. If you'd like to try this yourself, I recommend doing this: On a fresh day where you have dinged nothing, pref on maxl lvl 0 conq character, do daily repeatable heroic named Rock and a hard place. (Belsavis, Imp side.) Kill no mobs, just walk in, finish the mission and walk out. You have three missions completing all at once: Daily repeatable objective for doing heroic mission, daily repeatable objective for doing Belsavis mission and the actual HC2 - mission. So you get xp from three missions pouring in. Thanks to the conquest mission log, you know exactly how much conq you get as completion reward. (iirc 10k+ 5k and 625 conq from the heroic mission.) This is just me drawing from memory tho, so prolly good idea to double check the numbers. Since you know exactly how much conq your char now has and since you know exactly how much of that conq is via mission rewards, you can count how much of it is XP.


I did the test myself and numbers are avail..somewhere in this jungle of a thread. I can't remember which page though. But some spoilers: XP is a very modest part of total conq earned now, at least in situations where you do a conq objective. Things such as renown dings and so on can be counted too: Check how much conq you earn from renown ding objective. Multiply that by, say, 100 and you see what 100 renown levels gets you.Then think about how much conq you earn otherwise when tackling the massive body of content needed for 100 renown levels.

I was actually planning on doing that one today. Only thing is I can't upload a video to show proof of it because my desk is my lap and my chair is my bed and the cam on the computer is focused on me so i wouldn't be able to record a video of myself doing the mission. When I do the heroics I usually do them in groups of three like today I was planning on doing Alderaan, Balmorra, and Belsavis and I complete all the missions on one planet before moving on to the next one. Sometimes I finish the bonus ones sometimes I don't. Also numbers might be skewed a bit because I logged off last night after sending companions out on crew skill missions plus today being the new conquest week I get the bonus from my guild hitting the 5 million mark