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DarthCasus
05.25.2020 , 08:25 PM | #31
Quote: Originally Posted by DarkTergon View Post
But the inq story does have consistency, they are the blood of kalig, powerful, etc, etc, becomes the commander (emperor) of a mighty alliance (Empire?) But you are denying that they'd ever get there if this was 'real', but it's set in the same universe as palp, who did the same thing. Do you not think palp would crush ash too?.
The whole point is, choice. You don't have to kill off anyone, but if you play the inq story out, as a 'palp' sith, he'd kill her for the what she did. The fact she's a romance option doesn't matter.

Your basically taking a dump on other peoples RP, because it doesn't coincide with yours.
...What? Quite the opposite. I'm in support of people's RP. I'm NOT in support of BioWare killing off another character to SUIT someone else's idea of RP without rationale. That's where my whole argument of rationality comes from, that it makes no sense for Inq to kill her in response to what she said or did. It wasn't even disrespect, she was proposing that you either respect her or don't and deal with the consequences (her leaving). Don't swing that stick at me, dawg. I've been supportive of all sorts of wild RP antics and ideas, this doesn't mesh.

We can ALL understand why people should be allowed to kill Quinn. Skadge. Tanno Vik. Rusk. Maybe even Doc. Now why should Ashara be on that list? Give me a reason.

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This quote basically says it all, it shows the contempt you have for other peoples roleplaying, and the choice they want or can pick, all because it's not what you want.
We could argue about this till the nerfs come home, but it's not going to change anything. I beleive, of all the INQ's companion, she should definatley have had a kill option. That's not going to change. And I doubt you'll see my point of view, so I'll just leave it at that. UNfortunately, what's done is done, they'll never go back and retrospectively change it. /shrug
Then you're not trying to see my perspective. Either you're not trying to understand that killing off characters affects their inclusion going forward and the playerbase at large or you're willfully arguing in bad faith. That quote presents the only 'logical' reason to space her, i.e: you're RPing a Dark Side nut. Anyone with a working moral compass knows DS in this game is pure dumb evil. Mix in LS choices and you have a morally compromised lunatic. He/She literally acknowledges it. Here:

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And while DS, my Nox is not a complete moron
It's a fair rationale for not liking Ashara, the way she presented your choices. It's also fair to not want to bring her, or to want to shock her or even have BioWare let us kill her, but only if you're aiming for RPing a DS dummy. That's as far as my defense of the want for the option would go but I'm completely opposed to killing off characters if BioWare continues to write them out almost entirely. That's not fair and completely pointless. Even the Vette/Torian decision had very very short lived shock. Why toss another character in the fire?
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05.25.2020 , 08:43 PM | #32
I just replayed the SI story because of the double XP event and while my previous LS SI would let Ashara joins because I played her as building her own power base in the small scale, my new slightly insane SI didn't care about Ashara and would either mock and get rid of her or kill her after he got the ghost.

But I guess the time of killing original companions are long pass, it's kind of meaningless to add the kill option in later expansions simply because of the lost opportunity, ex: Quinn. If I can't kill him in the original class story, it made little story sense to kill him >5 years later. Unless there's story content added to make the kill option logical, ex: Kaliyo for her new "screw up" in kotfe.

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DarkTergon
05.25.2020 , 09:04 PM | #33
Quote: Originally Posted by eabevella View Post
I just replayed the SI story because of the double XP event and while my previous LS SI would let Ashara joins because I played her as building her own power base in the small scale, my new slightly insane SI didn't care about Ashara and would either mock and get rid of her or kill her after he got the ghost.

But I guess the time of killing original companions are long pass, it's kind of meaningless to add the kill option in later expansions simply because of the lost opportunity, ex: Quinn. If I can't kill him in the original class story, it made little story sense to kill him >5 years later. Unless there's story content added to make the kill option logical, ex: Kaliyo for her new "screw up" in kotfe.
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05.26.2020 , 02:26 AM | #34
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I know. But it feels weird because if my character didn't kill him then, it makes no sense to kill him >5 years later. It feels like the kill option is there to compensate players who want to kill him (understandable), much like Kaliyo, but at least Kaliyo has a longer story/event to reignite my character's distrust for her.

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Goreshaga
05.26.2020 , 02:26 AM | #35
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthCasus View Post
Then you're not trying to see my perspective. Either you're not trying to understand that killing off characters affects their inclusion going forward and the playerbase at large or you're willfully arguing in bad faith. That quote presents the only 'logical' reason to space her, i.e: you're RPing a Dark Side nut. Anyone with a working moral compass knows DS in this game is pure dumb evil. Mix in LS choices and you have a morally compromised lunatic. He/She literally acknowledges it. Here:



It's a fair rationale for not liking Ashara, the way she presented your choices. It's also fair to not want to bring her, or to want to shock her or even have BioWare let us kill her, but only if you're aiming for RPing a DS dummy. That's as far as my defense of the want for the option would go but I'm completely opposed to killing off characters if BioWare continues to write them out almost entirely. That's not fair and completely pointless. Even the Vette/Torian decision had very very short lived shock. Why toss another character in the fire?
Thing is, as Ashara only exists for SI, she wont have an important role to play anyways, just like all the companions who are locked behind class specific AA.
So, unlike the companions who came back via the main storyline, killing them off would NOT affect people who want to keep them alive.

Honnestly, if i actually had a choice, i'd just let Ashara on Taris for her to go back to the Jedi. She was the one who decided for some reason that she could not go back to them, even when playing a LS SI who killed her masters only because they attacked first.
Just like i'd let Skadge rot in his cell on Belsavis, or arrange for Vik to be kicked out of the army rather than taking him with me. I'd probably not take Xalek either actually. And all of these ones got a kill option, why is Ashara the only special one who can't be killed ? Especially considering how many [kill] options she was given on Taris that are in the end only fake kill options (i guess she was actually killable in beta, like Quinn, but that it was removed later)
It's actually a pity they didn't put the "beta" [kill] options back or even just a [reject] option when they changed the companions to be able to fill all roles.

As for what usefull things would Vette do, well idk, she's dead. I had no will to see her die, but it was her or Torian, and while the choice was really easy on my fem BH who romances him, the choice had to be different for my other characters. They chose Torian simply because as a warrior and a link with the Mandalorians, he was in the end more usefull than Vette on the battlefield (and well none of my mains romance Vette, so she was already at a disadvantage just for that).
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05.26.2020 , 02:43 AM | #36
No ashara and you are forever friends,
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BelorfinSiana
05.26.2020 , 03:11 AM | #37
Kill Ashara?!

ONLY if you let my inquisitor marry her too!
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05.26.2020 , 04:10 AM | #38
I do agree that Ashara's arc should have been handled differently. Unless you play a LS Sith Inquisitor, her attitude makes little sense.

Her more pragmatic side could have been preserved if she was written as a Darth Marr type of Sith. Firmly settled in the Dark Side of the Force, but with a distinct streak of pragmatism. It would have suited her perfectly and would have made her quite the imposing Sith, I believe. She could have been an interesting counterbalance to Dark Jaesa's chaotic evil nature, if Ashara had been a lawful evil sort.

It's a pity there is no option to truly make Ashara fall to the Dark Side. You can only make her taste the Dark Side but she backs away from it fairly swiftly and then the idea is never revisited again. It is truly a waste of a great potential in character development.
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rumpol
05.26.2020 , 06:12 AM | #39
Quote: Originally Posted by Elessara View Post
Not really no. The Hand chose the SW to be the next Wrath, almost certainly at the direction of the Emperor. The SW didn't stumble into it, they were specifically chosen. Now it might be that the SW was chosen because they had a problem with Baras ... or it might just be they were chosen because they were powerful. Or both. Probably both. But they SW didn't just stumble across the Hand by accident and go, "Does this mean I'm the Wrath now?"
Yes, the Hand (Emperor) almost definitely chose the warrior because of his animosity and links to Baras. So yes, if Baras hadn't tried to kill him, he probably wouldn't have been chosen so he stumbled into becoming the Wrath. In exactly the same way the Inquisitor stumbled into being on the Dark Council because of Thanaton trying to kill him.

Besides which, earlier in the Inquisitor story, the inqs friendly Moff tells him that Thanaton has ascended to the Dark Council, the Inqusitor can make a comment which says that if he kills Thanaton he assumes his position. So your Inq was already making plans. During conversations with Ashara, you can tell her you are not yet in a position to affect change, she states but that is what you are striving for, to get into a position of power.

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wistarie
05.26.2020 , 06:27 AM | #40
Quote: Originally Posted by Ylliarus View Post
I do agree that Ashara's arc should have been handled differently. Unless you play a LS Sith Inquisitor, her attitude makes little sense.

Her more pragmatic side could have been preserved if she was written as a Darth Marr type of Sith. Firmly settled in the Dark Side of the Force, but with a distinct streak of pragmatism. It would have suited her perfectly and would have made her quite the imposing Sith, I believe. She could have been an interesting counterbalance to Dark Jaesa's chaotic evil nature, if Ashara had been a lawful evil sort.

It's a pity there is no option to truly make Ashara fall to the Dark Side. You can only make her taste the Dark Side but she backs away from it fairly swiftly and then the idea is never revisited again. It is truly a waste of a great potential in character development.
Exactly my thoughts. It would be great to have this DS Ashara.
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