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Dear Story Team, What Year Are We Currently In?

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Dear Story Team, What Year Are We Currently In?
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RameiArashi
05.19.2020 , 12:43 PM | #11
So 2 years and Commodore Pardax is still not up to speed. And it took a year to go from Onslaught to meeting on Alliance base?

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BenKatarn
05.19.2020 , 12:51 PM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by Ylliarus View Post
What you say about ingame time following real life release was indeed true for the content between the release of Ilum and Chapter 1 of KotFE. However, Charles Boyd explicitly said "between Ilum release and chapter 1 of KotFE". Whether it holds true for the content after chapter 1 of KotFE isn't mentioned and probably doubtful, as we have seen in the story that the flow of time doesn't align with release dates IRL.
It should be noted here that if you look at the actual tweet, the person he responded to specifically asked about the stuff between Ilum and KOTFE chapter 1, as the tweet itself is from December 2015, shortly after KOTFE came out. I personally like to apply the whole "passage of time in-game equals passage of time in the real world" rule-of-thumb thing, but that doesn't always work.

For instance, I kind of doubt that chapters 12 and 13 (sending Jorgan/Kaliyo on the GEMINI Frequency mission and returning after the Gilded Star raid) took over a month to complete, likewise the in-game portrayal makes me doubt very much that between the Alliance Commander raiding the Zakuulan factory on Darvannis in chapter 14 to the Battle of Odessen in chapter 16, two whole months passed.

Quote: Originally Posted by Ylliarus View Post
Your timeline doesn't look too bad, albeit I don't think we have moved beyond 25 ATC yet. Based on the approximations we get, Onslaught is supposed to take place in 24 ATC, which is also what Wookieepedia states about the Missions to Onderon and Mek-Sha. It is possible The Task at Hand takes place in 25 ATC, but that remains highly unconfirmed and I think that story update is to take place relatively shortly after Onslaught. I think it's likely The Task at Hand still occurs in 24 ATC.
Were we to go by the letter of in-game = IRL thing, we'd already be in 26 ATC. I don't think so either, because it would mean that Malgus has been on the run for almost 5 months inbetween the releases of 6.0 and 6.1.

Quote: Originally Posted by Ylliarus View Post
Yet this just shows how much easier it would be if we could get an official answer from the story team. Players wouldn't have to base themselves on approximations then, but would just have a clear answer on the question what in-universe year the story they play takes place in.
I tend to agree, but I believe the reason there's no official word here is that the devs don't want to adhere too closely to a set timeframe for fear of restricting what players want it to be, i.e. "nothing is canon except what you decide for yourself to be". There's also the possibility that the writing team doesn't want to open themselves up for attack over disrepancies and things like that. For instance, recently Roksik released a video containing all the different dialogue variants for the Kira and Scourge dialogue in Onslaught. They played the audio for a cut response from Kira saying it's been 6 years, which would suggest that everything from being thawed from carbonite to now was only a year of real time.
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Mevan
05.19.2020 , 01:05 PM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by JediQuaker View Post
I'm sorry. I tend to exist in the real world, and in the real world, I recognize that a Galaxy long, long ago and far, far away is a phantasy world. And I'm sorry if basic facts upset your 'immersion', but... oh well. 🙄
If you want to go by various made-up "years" or events that you get from fan sites, go for it. But as I stated, in the original trilogy, and the books I've read, no dates were ever given.
But obviously, from the very premise of the OP's post, no one actually knows what the 'real' date is in a fantasy universe. Shocking, I know.

The bottom line is that my 'purpose' was to propose that RP'ers, UNTIL SUCH TIME that an "OFFICIAL" date can be universally agreed upon, should pick a convenient date that fits with their own RP'ing. 🤔
That is, until someone makes up a date for you, make up your own date. Make the date as true to the lore as you can, or want.
I mean really -relax, get a grip. 😂
You're clearly just here to be antagonistic and unhelpful. If you've got nothing to contribute other than trying to undermine the OP's suggestion/request and detract from the topic with your unfamiliarity with the lore, just get lost and do something better with your time maybe?

'Make up your own date' is a laughable suggestion too, for a plethora of reasons, but you know that. Pretty consistent with the usual anti-RP trolls our lot have to contend with whenever we raise RP-related issues on the forums, though, so grats on your lack of originality.

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Kiesu
05.19.2020 , 02:21 PM | #14
Got nothing to contribute, but I'd like to know what year it is as well. Just adding my name to the pile of wants here.
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Ylliarus
05.19.2020 , 04:29 PM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by JediQuaker View Post
If you want to go by various made-up "years" or events that you get from fan sites, go for it. But as I stated, in the original trilogy, and the books I've read, no dates were ever given.
You're literally ignoring what is being stated on this very site about the game's setting:

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All dates have been adjusted to match the system adopted by the Galactic Senate in the wake of the recent peace agreement between the Republic and Sith Empire.

ATC - After the Treaty of Coruscant
BTC - Before the Treaty of Coruscant

Detailed holorecords for each event will come online as they are researched and recorded by Archivist Master Gnost-Dural. Available records are indicated by illuminated nodes. Please monitor standard frequencies for notification about the availability of new holorecords.
This is not coming from a fan site, this is coming straight from the SWTOR site. This site literally states there is a calendar system in place. Seriously, check your facts before you start posting.

Quote: Originally Posted by JediQuaker View Post
If you want to go by various made-up "years" or events that you get from fan sites, go for it. But as I stated, in the original trilogy, and the books I've read, no dates were ever given.
Well, you have been a little blind so far, so I guess it is a habit for you now. Did you notice the little source stamps on Wookieepedia? Everything that is being stated there has a source in actual in-universe lore, whether it's books, comics, movies, games or other material. Perhaps you're unfamiliar with the concept of Wookieepedia, but as the name suggests it works like Wikipedia. I am sure you have heard of the latter. The statements on Wookieepedia are regularly checked to be consistent with recognised Star Wars lore. That's how sources and posting sources works.

Quote: Originally Posted by Mevan View Post
You're clearly just here to be antagonistic and unhelpful. If you've got nothing to contribute other than trying to undermine the OP's suggestion/request and detract from the topic with your unfamiliarity with the lore, just get lost and do something better with your time maybe?

'Make up your own date' is a laughable suggestion too, for a plethora of reasons, but you know that. Pretty consistent with the usual anti-RP trolls our lot have to contend with whenever we raise RP-related issues on the forums, though, so grats on your lack of originality.

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Sadly that particular poster has been fairly antagonistic towards me and others who mention the word "RP" over the years I have taken part in forum discussions here. Whenever their points are disproven, they have a tendency to go like "dude, chill out man, you're being obsessive". It's the classic ridiculing trope when one runs out of reasonable arguments. I have taken the effort to point out the sources that clearly disprove his every point, but sadly, instead of simply admitting that he is wrong, the poster fails to grasp what Wookieepedia is and dismisses the literal lists of actual lore sources that it cites.
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jedimasterjac
05.19.2020 , 04:39 PM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by JediQuaker View Post
In the original SW trilogy, they never mentioned a 'year', and SWTOR is only mentioned as being approximately X years earlier.
Also, consider a few minor points:
- there is no stated galaxy wide dating method mentioned in Star Wars, unlike say, the "star date" in Star Trek, or CE (Common Era) in our calendar.
- a 'year' is the time it takes Terra (Earth) to orbit it's sun. In the SW galaxy, there is no Terra, and therefore, no 'year'. The "5 years" you spend in carbonite, could be practically any length of real time. 🤔
- and/or, in the SW galaxy, if there's no galaxy-wide standard, different planets could have various year lengths, or even totally different ways of keeping track of time.

From an RP perspective, perhaps the best 'workaround' would be to RP your own dates based upon some arbitrary event. Even if it turns out to not be the 'official' date, it can still be used within your group. (Much as the Jewish calendar, or Muslim calendar, etc, is used within certain communities, along with CE.)
People who don't know anything about the lore probably shouldn't talk down to RPers about how to RP.

There is an established calendar and dating system in this era. We have it. It actually strongly mirrors ABY and BBY (which is also canonical.)

Also, we do have a yardstick for years. The galaxy uses Coruscant as a baseline. (which has a 365 day, 12 month year.) This is confirmed to be canon via a Rebels behind the scenes interview with Pablo Hidalgo.

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A: We kinda assume that there is a standard hour, a standard day, a standard week, a standard month, a unit of measurement that everyone understand how long that is. And in our storytelling we say that unit of measurement comes from Coruscant. So not only is it the galactic capital, it is sorta the yardstick through which all time is measured in the galaxy.
Seriously, dude, I know you want to talk down to Yilarius, but spend like 5 minutes googling first. Or just don't be a jerk.
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Soljin
05.19.2020 , 04:52 PM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by JediQuaker View Post
In the original SW trilogy, they never mentioned a 'year', and SWTOR is only mentioned as being approximately X years earlier.
Also, consider a few minor points:
- there is no stated galaxy wide dating method mentioned in Star Wars, unlike say, the "star date" in Star Trek, or CE (Common Era) in our calendar.
- a 'year' is the time it takes Terra (Earth) to orbit it's sun. In the SW galaxy, there is no Terra, and therefore, no 'year'. The "5 years" you spend in carbonite, could be practically any length of real time. 🤔
- and/or, in the SW galaxy, if there's no galaxy-wide standard, different planets could have various year lengths, or even totally different ways of keeping track of time.

From an RP perspective, perhaps the best 'workaround' would be to RP your own dates based upon some arbitrary event. Even if it turns out to not be the 'official' date, it can still be used within your group. (Much as the Jewish calendar, or Muslim calendar, etc, is used within certain communities, along with CE.)
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Ylliarus
05.19.2020 , 05:04 PM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by jedimasterjac View Post
People who don't know anything about the lore probably shouldn't talk down to RPers about how to RP.
RPers tend to study the lore of their favourite universes in detail and I can assure you, I love to gobble up details about Star Wars lore like nothing else

It's hard for some to understand, as exemplified by the poster your quoted, but RPers follow the lore as closely as possible and want to stick to the lore as closely as possible in their stories. It's why in-universe lore is so important to them, because RPers know it's not their place to make up lore. That's the right and privilege of those who own, write or create said universe. This is why "simply make something up" is the worst thing you can tell an RPer, because that's not how RP works. Not at all.

Quote: Originally Posted by Kiesu View Post
Got nothing to contribute, but I'd like to know what year it is as well. Just adding my name to the pile of wants here.
The addition is highly appreciated!
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Ylliarus
05.20.2020 , 05:30 PM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by RameiArashi View Post
So 2 years and Commodore Pardax is still not up to speed. And it took a year to go from Onslaught to meeting on Alliance base?
I don't think that much time passed between Jedi Under Siege, Onslaught and The Task at Hand. I believe that all of those story updates occur in the same year, namely 24 ATC.
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ceryxp
05.20.2020 , 06:19 PM | #20
I like the timeline on Torcommunity and have used it extensively when establishing the backstory for my characters. If we take as canon the events of 3630 (23 ATC) as actually happening in 3630 then I would surmise that everything that's happened since Jedi Under Siege has occurred within and the current year is 3629 (24 ATC). I would place the events of JUS and the start of Onslaught at, at most, six months (possibly less) apart. The time between the Meridian complex battle and Task at Hand is likely no more than two weeks. Maybe three based on Scourge's tantrum.

Obviously, that's the speculative answer. Ideally, I wish the writers would create a page on the official forums (and update it more frequently than their Community Content Creators blog) that mirrors the presentation of the Torcommunity timeline so we could easily see when major events happen. I would be highly surprised if the current year is not 3629, but it would still be nice to know for sure. So, I guess that's me adding my name to the petition.

Maybe we can beg Charles for a more definitive, even if rough, timeline on Twitter.
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