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Your Ideal Canon Races/Classes/genders/alignment

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Your Ideal Canon Races/Classes/genders/alignment

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Ylliarus
04.21.2020 , 02:04 PM | #91
Jedi Knight - Twi'lek, female, Jedi Guardian and Light Side.
Jedi Consular - Miraluka, male, Jedi Sage and Light Side.
Smuggler - Cyborg, male, Scoundrel and Light Side.
Trooper - Cathar, female, Commando and Light Side.

Sith Warrior - Sith Pureblood, female, Juggernaut and Dark Side.
Sith Inquisitor - Human, male, Sith Sorcerer and Dark Side.
Imperial Agent - Chiss, female, Operative and Dark Side.
Bounty Hunter - Cyborg, female, Mercenary and Dark Side.

Note: I believe that the alignments of the classes should align with their faction. (Mostly) Light Side options for the Republic and (mostly) Dark Side options for the Empire, that's the most canonical playthrough I'd wager. A Dark Side Jedi Consular or Light Side Sith Warrior comes across as bending lore to me, especially in the situations where the classes find themselves in. An entire council of the 12 most powerful Darths can't feel the Light Side in a LS Warrior or Inquisitor? Doubtful. And if they are aware, I can't possibly believe they'd allow someone like that to exist. Vice versa for Dark Side Jedi Knights/Consulars. Satele Shan would smell the Dark Side in them before they even left their ship.
The One, True Lord Ryssius
Playing SWTOR since November 2012
Darth Malgus [EU]

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Zehal
04.21.2020 , 04:50 PM | #92
Your Ideal Canon Races/Classes/genders/alignment?

I honestly really don't know how to answers this...I understood that in SWTOR era there is a lot of unknowns to be full canon no?

Anyway... Ill answer as a fan of what I have play so far...

My Ideal Canon (in my head):

Race: Chiss (I know, I know it makes no sense and there is very little about this race in this era, BUT THEY ARE SO COOL lol)

Class: Inquisitor (Why not?! Being as skilled as Darth Maul with Lighsaber, a Master of the Dark Side like Palpatine, while being a brilliant strategist like Thrawn and then going full Galen Marek "Starkiller" Force Unleash in battle!)

Gender: Male (Because my Consular is a Female sister of my Jedi Rival...haha just wanted to create a bit of a Romance/Drama in my head canon between the 2)

Alignment: Light Side (Why? Because its unique, and unheard off specially in the era we are in... also I run with a Personal RPG in my head where my Inquisitor and Consular meet up and fall in love [in some distant future] both being accomplish heroes and overpowered force users...to lead to the old republic version [in my head] to the Chosen One Prophesy, if we ever get a Neutral Faction to Start like Zakuul I be making their son/daughter there. (That's why my legacy is called Voidwalker, in honor of the Skywalker original saga haha I know I'm such a geek! )

Why this weird contradictory that makes no scene combination? (Spare you the read of my geeky answers if your not interested lol )
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Ylliarus
04.22.2020 , 03:09 AM | #93
Quote: Originally Posted by Zehal View Post
I honestly really don't know how to answers this...I understood that in SWTOR era there is a lot of unknowns to be full canon no?
Wookieepedia assumes a canon, for example, so I'd argue it's possible to perceive a "soft" canon, in the sense that it's not set hard in stone but the assumption can be - but doesn't have to be - that it would be the canon playthrough. If you look at KOTOR 1 & 2, then the Light Side playthrough is the canon one. In Mass Effect - another game by Bioware - the Paragon playthrough (Paragon being the equivalent for Light Side in Star Wars) is canon as well.

Based on that, Wookieepedia argues that it assumes a Light Side, Loyalist playthrough with Light Side choices is canon for all Republic classes, while a Dark Side, Loyalist playthrough is canon for all the Imperial classes. Because that would be the most default way of playing the classes, LS Jedi Consular, DS Sith Warrior, LS Jedi Knight, DS Sith Inquisitor and so on.

The Jedi Knight story is also meant to be the continuation of KOTOR 1 & 2. That class also has been featured as the main protagonist in the story trailers during KotFE, KotET and subsequent content. Based on that, one could conclude a LS, Loyalist Jedi Knight is the canon Outlander/Commander.
The One, True Lord Ryssius
Playing SWTOR since November 2012
Darth Malgus [EU]

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WilliamStor
04.23.2020 , 08:34 AM | #94
Quote: Originally Posted by Ylliarus View Post
Wookieepedia assumes a canon, for example, so I'd argue it's possible to perceive a "soft" canon, in the sense that it's not set hard in stone but the assumption can be - but doesn't have to be - that it would be the canon playthrough. If you look at KOTOR 1 & 2, then the Light Side playthrough is the canon one. In Mass Effect - another game by Bioware - the Paragon playthrough (Paragon being the equivalent for Light Side in Star Wars) is canon as well.

Based on that, Wookieepedia argues that it assumes a Light Side, Loyalist playthrough with Light Side choices is canon for all Republic classes, while a Dark Side, Loyalist playthrough is canon for all the Imperial classes. Because that would be the most default way of playing the classes, LS Jedi Consular, DS Sith Warrior, LS Jedi Knight, DS Sith Inquisitor and so on.

The Jedi Knight story is also meant to be the continuation of KOTOR 1 & 2. That class also has been featured as the main protagonist in the story trailers during KotFE, KotET and subsequent content. Based on that, one could conclude a LS, Loyalist Jedi Knight is the canon Outlander/Commander.


Wookieepedia says at the bottom of each page that there is no canon lightside or dark side choice for any of the class. Besides some of the classes actually feel better on the opposite side. Light Side bounty hunter is better feels a lot better than dark side, especially with the whole speech about Mandalorian honor you give at the end. Then Dark side Smuggler fits better as well. But that's just my opinion. I can see any class being the outlander/commander except for the smuggler.



Anyway LS BH human male, DS Smuggler Human male, DS Chiss female, LS Trooper Cyborg male, LS Consular Female Miraluka, DS Inquisitor Human female, LS warrior Pureblood Sith Male, LS Jedi Knight human male.

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Ylliarus
04.23.2020 , 08:54 AM | #95
Quote: Originally Posted by WilliamStor View Post
Wookieepedia says at the bottom of each page that there is no canon lightside or dark side choice for any of the class.
Which is why I spoke of "soft canon" not a hard one. Wookieepedia makes the assumption nonetheless, whether there is a disclaimer or not. That creates a soft canon by itself. Besides, it's quite logical that the Imperial classes are meant to be played Dark Side and the Republic ones Light Side. Because the Republic is meant to be the good guys and the Empire the bad.
The One, True Lord Ryssius
Playing SWTOR since November 2012
Darth Malgus [EU]

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WilliamStor
04.23.2020 , 09:37 AM | #96
Quote: Originally Posted by Ylliarus View Post
Which is why I spoke of "soft canon" not a hard one. Wookieepedia makes the assumption nonetheless, whether there is a disclaimer or not. That creates a soft canon by itself. Besides, it's quite logical that the Imperial classes are meant to be played Dark Side and the Republic ones Light Side. Because the Republic is meant to be the good guys and the Empire the bad.
But that's exactly why it doesn't make sense to say the BH and Smuggler went LS or DS. They aligned with either. They are free agents who are just getting payed by those factions. The fact he Bh storyline has a bunch of stuff about trying to be an honorable person is why I think it makes more sense LS.

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Ylliarus
04.23.2020 , 01:05 PM | #97
Quote: Originally Posted by WilliamStor View Post
But that's exactly why it doesn't make sense to say the BH and Smuggler went LS or DS. They aligned with either. They are free agents who are just getting payed by those factions. The fact he Bh storyline has a bunch of stuff about trying to be an honorable person is why I think it makes more sense LS.
That's your interpretation of the story. The classes fit certain archetypes we see in Star Wars and if you want to approach it by their most default approach, the alignments make sense. The Sith Warrior is a reflection of Darth Vader, the Jedi Knight of Obi-Wan, the Sith Inquisitor of Palpatine etc. etc. The Bounty Hunter therefore is based on the ruthless archetype, like Aurra Sing, Boba Fett or Cad Bane.

Also, the Imperial Agent isn't paid to do what they do, they're not a mercenary or hired force. They're actually Imperial and the most default manner of playing them would be a loyal servant of the Empire. So, they act according to the values of the Empire as well.

Regardless of what makes sense to you, the default is LS for Republic and DS for Empire. The beauty of the game however is that people can create their own Star Wars story and that's why there is no hard canon. My main Sith Inquisitor for example - while Dark V - has made a few Light Side choices, because those choices benefited the Sith Empire and all my characters are fierce loyalists to their factions. So, there's a certain very soft canon, but it's kept intentionally as soft as possible to give players the room to create their own Star Wars saga.
The One, True Lord Ryssius
Playing SWTOR since November 2012
Darth Malgus [EU]

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RowanThursday
04.24.2020 , 12:16 AM | #98
The vast gulfs of time in the Star Wars saga between the game and, say, The Phantom Menace mean there is a prodigious amount of "wiggle room" around what is canon.

By way of a fictitious example, imagine a "codex" style entry from a hypothetical game or text set a few thousand years further on from SWTOR:

"The Commander of the Eternal Alliance was an almost mythic figure, whose origins are somewhat disputed. He was widely believed to have been the 'Hero of Tython'; a near-legendary Jedi who liberated Corellia and defeated and dethroned Emperor Vitiate of the Sith in single combat, however some scholars believe that this interpretation is false, and that texts of the period are being misinterpreted to conflate the two defeats of Vitiate; on Dromund Kaas and Zakuul, and mistakenly attribute them to one person. They argue that, given their modus operandi, the Commander was more likely to have been a prominent Mandalorian or displaced pirate, given the loose structure of the Alliance, or possibly even a notable Sith Lord, or the Barsenthor of the Jedi Order; known to have temporarily disappeared about the same time, or even a shadowy operative of the mysterious Imperial Intelligence."

By similar token, within the stories themselves, if playing against "type", then any soft canon data to the contrary can easily be accounted as propaganda Naturally the Jedi Council will record the Hero of Tython as being a paragon of virtue, a devout and upstanding follower of the Jedi code. That Lord Scourge attests that the Hero was strong in the Dark Side is "obviously" just Sith propaganda, and sadly the Council would love to clarify why this noble paragon was refused the rank of Master, but those records were tragically lost in the Sith attack on Tython organised during the Revanite conspiracy.

Regarding how one squares the ascetic, abstentionist, detached ideal of the perfect Jedi which the Hero of Tython was said to embody, with the steamier chapters of the memoirs of Jedi Knight Kira Carsen, not to mention the classified journals of S.I.S. Agent Theron Shan, and of Twi'Lek Matriarch Ranna Tao'ven's account of meeting the Hero of Tython during the latter's training as a Padawan, in which she attests that the future Hero "seemed like he'd be really good with a lightsaber, if you know what I mean", the Jedi Council would like, with the utmost calm and serenity, to invite enquiring minds to shut the hell up.
"... Pointless meatbag bickering."
-- HK-55

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TwilekTrekker
04.29.2020 , 11:48 AM | #99
Jedi Knight -- Miraluka female, Sentinel, Light Side. Aspires to live up to Jedi Code and ideals.
Jedi Consular -- Miraluka female, Sage, Light Side. Scholarly, humble, socially awkward. Headcanon she's on the spectrum. Proper posture and all that.
Trooper - Cathar female, Commando, Light Side. Gets to use all the snarky lines Commander Shepard didn't get.
Smuggler - Zabrak female, Gunslinger. Light Side. Hard-core adrenaline junkie, speed demon, and daredevil. Loves close scrapes and daring escapes. Loves to have fun, get paid for it, throw credits at the needy then do it all over again. Confident her luck will see her through everything. Irreverent goofball. Secretly a sucker for a happy ending.

Sith Warrior - Human Cyborg female, Marauder. Honorable warrior type. Can't stand Sith posturing. Feels that true power should speak for itself. ("Speak softly and carry a burning lightsaber.") Secretly Light Side.
Sith Inquisitor - Twi'lek female, Assassin. Acts crazy, but secretly meek, humble, and rational. Still remembers being a slave and wants to reform the Empire. Loves gaining knowledge, Sith artifacts, and alliances from grateful people she assisted. Light Side.
Bounty Hunter - Cathar female, Mercenary. Warm, sultry, clever; compassionate to the downtrodden, sarcastic to authority. Neutral, leaning to Light Side.
Imperial Agent - Rattataki female, Sniper. Outwardly calm, intelligent, rational, resourceful. Inwardly a passionate, hotblooded train-wreck hidden by her conditioning. Wants to prove she's the best spy in the galaxy. Loves hamming it up and sleeping around while undercover; Light Side.

"Wait, are all your characters female and Light Side?" you might ask.

Yes.

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Goreshaga
05.18.2020 , 08:37 PM | #100
In an as objective way as possible, i think nearly any species works for the Pub characters, except probably Chiss and Purebloods who seem less likely.
BH and IA would prbably work with any species, though i'd probably see the IA as either human/cyborg or Chiss.

For both Sith though, i think only Human/cyborg and Pureblood can work, with a higher probability on Pureblood for the SW and on human/cyborg for the SI.
The SW is clearly stated to be from a well know imperial / sith family so they can very clearly only be human/cyborg or Pureblood. And the people the closest to Vitiate : the Hand and Scourge are all Purebloods, so i'd go with Pureblood as the most logical here.
The SI is clearly supposed to be the same species as Kallig and considering the shape and size of his mask, you can't fit a Twi'lek, Nautolan or Togruta's head in that, that'd probably exclude Zabraks too because of the horns. Then, the SI becomes a member of the Dark Council before Ilum and during Annihilation, which takes place after Ilum, most of the SI's fellow Dark Council members are completely against Karrid becoming one of them because she's an alien, indicating there are no alien on the DC, and there are no aliens on Acina's DC either.
So that leaves only human/cyborg and Pureblood, but Zash refers to Ffon as "the red one", so the SI is most probably human/cyborg.


Now, for my favourite combinations (even when they contradict what i think would be the most logical canonicity) :
- JK = female, human-Echani hybrid (obviously human ingame), Sentinel, so with an Ahsoka-like fighting style, but personnality-wise more of a mix between Obi-Wan's snarkiness and Anakin's impatience and recklessness. She tries to be a "perfect" Jedi, but is a bit too passionate to really be good at it. In a romantic relationship with Theron Shan.
- JC = male, Iridonian Zabrak, Shadow. He's calm and wise , loves reading and learning all kind of things, he is exactly what you'd expect from a Jedi
- Trooper = female, Nautolan, Vanguard. A true patriot, she'll fight for the Republic but will refuse to follow orders if they go against her moral values, which more often than not puts her at odds with her hierarchy. Maried to Aric Jorgan
- Smuggler = female, Twi'lek, Scoundrel. She likes traveling the galaxy and wants a nice, comfortable life. Loved flirting with any male she encountered, but ended up with Koth Vortena.
- Smuggler bis, as i like them both equally = male, Rattataki, Gunslinger. A big teddybear who'll do anything for the people he considers to be his familly, and will kill anyone threatening said familly. Maried to Akaavi Spar

- SW = female, human, Juggernaut. Rather neutral, she's an honorable warrior who wants to protect her people and fights for a cause she could believe in. She's an overal nice person to be around, but don't get in her way, and don't think she's weak or an idiot, that'd be your last mistake. In a relationship with Arcann.
- SI = male, human-Pureblood hybrid, bastard son of a Pureblood Sith lord and one of his human slaves, Sorcerer. He's a cunning survivor who'll do everything, no matter the cost to be free. There are 3 things to never do while dealing with him : think you're more intelligent than him, try to force him do something and try to kill him as it'll usually result in a painful death.
- IA = female, Chiss, Operative. A cold and very professional agent who'll use any asset, including her own charms to accomplish her mission. She'll try as much as possible to keep the collateral damages as low as possible, but the mission comes first. After being brainwashed, she turned her back on the Empire and joined the SIS, but her true loyalty goes to the Ascendancy. Maried to Vector Hyllus.
- BH = female, Mirialan, Mercenary. She became a BH to get revenge on the people who murdered her familly, won the Great Hunt to take revenge on the man who killed her mentor. She has a habbit of adding facial tattoos whenever she kills one of the people who wronged her. She then found a new familly with the Mandalorians, and will follow them wherever they go. Maried to Torian Cadera.
In need of more Arcann, Aric, Torian, Vector, and a lot, lot, lot more Theron.
There's nothing like geting too much Theron

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