Dont take vote kick away.

I didn't vote kick the tank, initially.

I did, however, have him 8 games in a row which were all loses because the tank was less than adequate.

His guard swaps were inconsistent, on the side of non-existent. You can show clips of him guard swapping occasionally. I can show clips of him taking full minutes to guard swap.

He did get globalled on occasion. In fact I played in games where I globaled him because I knew he didn't take Grit Teeth. If you want I can also get those clips for you.

But still I did not vote kick him. I believe, like you, that he was a really good novice ranked player.

In this first game we had together, I kindly advised him to get Grit Teeth. He said ok.

In the second game we had together, I kindly advised him to guard swap faster. He said ok.

By the 8th game in a row of not guard swapping, the wrong tactical, letting our healer get tunneled for a straight minute, no improvement, the singular reason for our loss, losing to every other tank in que. It. Gets. Old.

So at what point do we say enough is enough? At what point can we admit this guy is just ruining games? At what point can we admit that having complete and utter bots on our team is no fun? At what point can the games be about our own skill and not the glarring lack of skill of our teammates?

You're missing the point that you are not the skill police, Prum.

This player does not sound like they were throwing, trolling or coming in without gear. Because of low population, they are consistently matched against tanks that are better than them. That is not a reason to vote kick.

I have definitely gotten frustrated and raged when one player with less skill pulls my tam down. But this is a population and matchmaking issue. If they genuinely try and show up prepared, they should not be kicked. Ranked isn't our realm to curate into just the players we want to see.

I'm sure you could...I already explained that he wasn't good compared to all of the other tanks in queue. But the stream vod proves that he's capable of winning games against decent competition. Go watch the matches on the stream that you weren't a part of.

Sure, show me clips of you tank tunneling so I'll know for sure you're a full blown hypocrite lmao.

Cry me a *********** river. You want him to improve dramatically over the course of a few hours? I also lost four or five games with him last night. And? That's the way it goes. Suck it up and move on, don't throw a tantrum and kick. The fact that you think behaving like that is okay is simply incredible.

At what point are you going to grow up and stop abusing the vote kick feature? I am in literally the same position as the rest of you when it comes to these kind of teammates, yet I don't kick them unless they're deliberately trolling. Somehow I'm able to control my frustration and have some perspective. I guess that's too much to ask of many of you. If you ever get to the point that you're so angry you want to kick people, you should probably just stop queueing yourself.

This guardian tank getting kicked (apparently multiple times) is a textbook example of why vote kick must be removed.

Precisely. And I'd like to add that simply "raging" at a player that is causing losses is fundamentally different from vote kicking. Nearly everyone vents some frustration now and again, but those are just words (assuming those words aren't actual threats or slurs). People should be able to shrug those off in a competitive environment like ranked. They can even close the chat box if they can't handle it. But vote kicking is a discreet action that is actually harmful to another player, used mainly to bully people out of the queue. It's disgraceful.

Then who is? Bioware with their 25 valor requirements? Or their god awful matchmaking system that prioritizes low rated tanks into high elo games when there are higher rated tanks in que?

Double lethal strike into guarded target after first ED. Nice try though Caecus.

Even if Bioware were to add a 306 item level requirement, and a set bonus and tactical requirement, this guardian tank would have been able to queue. And nothing should stop him from queueing and improving, least of all your whims and tantrums.

Kind of like when tanks die to elemental convection cleave, yet you still think I tt'd rofl. Not to mention, deliberately attacking a guarded target to kill a tank is virtually the same thing as just attacking the tank. As always, the logic against tank tunneling is nonexistent. The hypocrisy is real either way.

Hence the need for matchmaking changes.


Caecus you are so *********** dumb and stupid you don't even understand your main class. Stormwatch double dip melts tanks faster than elemental convection. But that's besides the point because you actually TT when you see a pt tank. Good players have this little thing enabled called "target's target". It lets you see who the enemy target is focusing. It's not hard to watch you not tab off the tank.

Thank you. Thank you for adding a mature voice to this ridiculous thread. Op has lost all grip of reality. Game means all.

Basically guys like the OP can and will justify their own bad behavior by trying to smear whoever it is they do wrong. "Hey, it's OK that I abuse vote-kicking, because that guy sucked!"

But... Was he a troll? No? hmm.

But... Was he throwing matches? No? hmm...

OK, so he deliberately lost the match, or said racist nasty things to someone? No? Neither of these? Hmm...

Ok, ok... So the guy didn't meet your personal skill level requirement to participate in Solo Ranked, so you used vote-kick on him? lolol

Just ditch vote-kicking, the sooner the better. Then the clowns who abuse it can't. Real simple really.

There are no changes to be made. The matchmaking now is as good as it can be given the population unless they fundamentally change how ranked works (such as removing the elo system entirely).

Obviously I know about stormwatch double dipping. It's not nearly as good as you think it is. Maybe this partially explains why you perform so poorly on your sorcs in solos.

I tt pt tanks sometimes yes (because there's nothing wrong with tt whatsoever), but not every time. When I do tt, I freely and happily admit it. I have no reason not to. I never pander to morons even if I think they might want to kick me. The fact is, you've literally thought I tt'd multiple times when I didn't tt, and kicked me for it, because your awareness is that bad. You're also a sheep that is desperate for the approval of other players you consider "relevant" (even though they laugh about you behind your back), which is surely a contributing factor, but that's a whole other issue.

And look how easily you fly into a fit of rage. If you could, you'd probably vote kick me from this thread lol.

Removing vote kicking or not, either way, inexperienced players will show up. It's always been that way, with the lower population it hits a lot harder since there are not enough players to support brackets. Along with people just having alts that haven't even done placements, it's likely to stay.
However, if they make valor legacy wide and raise the requirements, in general, to take part in ranked this problem could be slowed down by a lot and not hinder pre-existing players wanting to play alts.
As I stated before, set bonuses and tactical is a huge increase in this expansion. Previously not having a set bonus is not a big deal, as long as you knew what you were doing. Now set bonuses can increase your damage by way more than just 10%, some sets even have flat 10% damage boosts in all you're seeing at least 20% more DPS or other ability that helps a lot from having a set bonus.
Force bound, for example, extremely impactful upon the game and can be purchased on GTN. While it doesn't increase your damage, most often seen on tank it can save your whole team for 6 seconds giving the healer time to catch up.
While tactical are huge, they're not insane for every single class. Though if you happen to be playing operative or PowerTech they are. Powerlode is insane damage increase, superheated fuel makes your firefall AoE auto & super crit, life warden in all dps games as pyro increases your chance of out surviving a lot of classes. Operative gets a triple auto crit setup tactical for concealment, one that's already good at burst and control. Lethality gets an aoe lethal strike which is two damage ticks in one game tick, with the tactical this ability hits the main target twice and anyone in aoe once. It absolutely destroys tanks and hits them an extra time for guarding and since the target gets hit twice by it tank also gets split guard damage twice from it.
Marauder and assassin have extra camo for running away and resetting this really increases their survival.

The list goes on and I am sure most people get my point.
Set bonuses and tactical play a huge role in the game now and are very very impactful.
It should at least be mandatory to have a class-specific set bonus (not general set bonus) and a class-specific tactical to enter the queue.

I completely agree that this would be ideal. And it's part of why I brought up the example I did. The guardian tank in question had 306 gear and a class-specific set bonus and tactical. And he wasn't even that bad, especially for a ranked novice (everyone has to start somewhere). So even with the requirements you suggested, he would still be able to queue, and rightfully so. And yet certain people in the queue still wanted to kick him. The madness has to stop.