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JediQuaker
05.13.2020 , 07:40 AM | #41
Quote: Originally Posted by denavin View Post
Try to complete the event on Dantooine... You Can't unless you do two 4 man heroic groups... Which are almost impossible to form.

That is what is called Mandatory....
Oh and before you climb up on your elite pedestal... Not everybody can do them solo or 2 man them (which would still be a Group).
Whenever I've done the Pirate event, it usually takes just a couple of minutes to get a group together for the Heroics. You must have really bad luck. The worst I've done is to actually complete 2 or 3 of the dailies while waiting for someone to start a group. (I'm one of those people who likes to join rather than start.)

As far as being 'mandatory' is concerned, yes, it is 'mandatory' to do the heroics to complete the Pirate Incursion. I think if you did a poll of the people playing SWTOR or any other MMO, you'd find that most of them are willing to do at least some group content. That idea is intrinsic to the very nature of an MMO.

I mean, really, why are people playing an MMO, who just want to only play solo, or only PvP, or just play Pazaak? Sure, it can be done, and it's your choice, but it seems silly to complain when the game encourages you to actually play an MMO. 😂
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RowanThursday
05.13.2020 , 08:11 AM | #42
Quote: Originally Posted by JediQuaker View Post

I mean, really, why are people playing an MMO, who just want to only play solo, or only PvP, or just play Pazaak? Sure, it can be done, and it's your choice, but it seems silly to complain when the game encourages you to actually play an MMO. 😂
I recall reading that quite a lot of people actually choose to play SWTOR because it's "KOTOR III", and having to pay for online servers and put up with occasionally seeing other players of the game wandering about in the background is just an unfortunate side effect.

I wouldn't quite go that far, not all the time, but I've certainly no sympathy either for those individuals in the "hardcore MMO player" camp who appear to resent the first group for not being "useful" to them. Both sets of players are equally "valid", neither need coercing to play the other person's way.
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EllieAnne
05.13.2020 , 11:32 AM | #43
This issue dates back to the mandatory level sync. Whether the intention or a side effect, BW forced people to group together. It has been an abject failure to that end from both sides. Having to group up for Heroics? Nah. Since they change the mechanics I can take a suitably OP toon and my level 50 companion and solo the Heroics - even the Heroic 4s. On the other side, try to find a group for Nightmare Pilgrim. Go on. If I didn't have level sync weighing me down I could complete the mission myself or with a partner. But no so I will not be able to get my Aratech Coral
Even more specific to the OP, the luster has faded from the Ossus farming so good luck building up your reputation there since both of the missions to do the weekly require grouping that is never done.

Of course if the only grouping you want to do is EV farming then that's easy to find.

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Phazonfreak
05.13.2020 , 11:57 AM | #44
Why do you guys keep perpetuating the myth that doing the heroics for the events is mandatory? Why? Do you all have a different definition of the word mandatory? This is driving me crazy.

'Mandatory' would mean you are forced to do them in order to get access to reputation ranks or rewards that you would not have access to otherwise and you could not reach by just doing the solo content. This is not the case! You can even get the "The Golden Dream" achievement and item just by paying the ransom for the Heroic yourself without any group at all.

Please, for the love of reason, say you are heavily encouraged to do so, or even say that you are unhappy that Solo players earn reputation and event currencies at a much slower pace, but stop saying it is mandatory when it clearly is not and the game is bending over backwards to cater to the Solo crowd compared to pretty much any other MMORPG on the market.

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EllieAnne
05.13.2020 , 12:03 PM | #45
Quote: Originally Posted by Phazonfreak View Post
Why do you guys keep perpetuating the myth that doing the heroics for the events is mandatory? Why? Do you all have a different definition of the word mandatory? This is driving me crazy.
That still doesn't address the two examples I gave. The quest for the Aratech Coral and the Weekly to build reputation on Ossus. Please explain how to solo those.

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Phazonfreak
05.13.2020 , 12:16 PM | #46
Quote: Originally Posted by EllieAnne View Post
That still doesn't address the two examples I gave. The quest for the Aratech Coral and the Weekly to build reputation on Ossus. Please explain how to solo those.
You can build your reputation on Ossus without doing any heroics simply by doing the solo quests. Yes, you cannot finish two of the weeklies and you will build your reputation slower, but as I keep saying again and again that is not what the word mandatory means, because you are not locked out of earning reputation and claiming the rewards doing the solo content. Your described issues have far more to do with game content that shifts in attractiveness when new content is released, as we can clearly see with the release of Onslaught and how "uninteresting" Ossus has become.

BTW, I have reached max reputation rank on Ossus without ever doing a heroic with another player.

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SteveTheCynic
05.13.2020 , 12:26 PM | #47
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P.S. Impressive that you can multi-box like you do. I'm certainly not ambidextrous enough to do that.
It's mostly the 75 who fights and the lowbie who /follows (although sometimes I'll launch the lowbie's companion into boss fights). I certainly don't fight simultaneously with both characters, and it's only Black Talon/Esseles anyway.
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Damask_Rose
05.13.2020 , 01:33 PM | #48
Quote: Originally Posted by Phazonfreak View Post
Why do you guys keep perpetuating the myth that doing the heroics for the events is mandatory? Why? Do you all have a different definition of the word mandatory? This is driving me crazy.

'Mandatory' would mean you are forced to do them in order to get access to reputation ranks or rewards that you would not have access to otherwise and you could not reach by just doing the solo content. This is not the case! You can even get the "The Golden Dream" achievement and item just by paying the ransom for the Heroic yourself without any group at all.

Please, for the love of reason, say you are heavily encouraged to do so, or even say that you are unhappy that Solo players earn reputation and event currencies at a much slower pace, but stop saying it is mandatory when it clearly is not and the game is bending over backwards to cater to the Solo crowd compared to pretty much any other MMORPG on the market.
FYI there is no solo way to get Gree currency beyond a one time quest to visit planets for the pet. Luckily the heroic can be soloed, but the heroic is much harder to solo than the older planetary heroics.
My name is Milind. I checked it again and can confirm you there is no bug with any companion in the game.

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juliushorst
05.13.2020 , 02:49 PM | #49
There are only two examples that could use some tweaking:
1. Oricon - There should be a way to conclude the questline solo, just to see cutscenes. Doesn't (and probably shouldn't) be a 'solo operation' but throwing you into a room with easy Brontes (if implementing mechanics is hard - simply nuking her works), showing cutscene between DF and DP, throwing you into a room with Council and showing the final cutscene should be an option. The rest of Dread Masters story operations are not required as Marr sums it all up at the beginning of Oricon.
2. Dreadseed and Shroud questlines. Yes, Dreadseed is soloable but requires some skill and patience in that barrel boss fight. Tune it down so anybody can finish it. For Shroud clicking all panels should be enough, no 'click all panels at the same time'. Or just remove panels like in Aurora Cannon and let us fight the boss, car jumping sequence is enough of a buildup to this.

Remaining flashpoints could use story mode but they are stand-alone stories without any solo questline leading to them so I think it would be a waste of resources.
Other than that - no quest are actually 'mandatory group content'.
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kirorx
05.13.2020 , 08:42 PM | #50
Definitely should be a solo version of operations so you can complete the story, the Oricon ones for sure. Even if its something different from the operation and its a fight like Revan was

Quote: Originally Posted by juliushorst View Post
There are only two examples that could use some tweaking:
1. Oricon - There should be a way to conclude the questline solo, just to see cutscenes. Doesn't (and probably shouldn't) be a 'solo operation' but throwing you into a room with easy Brontes (if implementing mechanics is hard - simply nuking her works), showing cutscene between DF and DP, throwing you into a room with Council and showing the final cutscene should be an option. The rest of Dread Masters story operations are not required as Marr sums it all up at the beginning of Oricon.
2. Dreadseed and Shroud questlines. Yes, Dreadseed is soloable but requires some skill and patience in that barrel boss fight. Tune it down so anybody can finish it. For Shroud clicking all panels should be enough, no 'click all panels at the same time'. Or just remove panels like in Aurora Cannon and let us fight the boss, car jumping sequence is enough of a buildup to this.

Remaining flashpoints could use story mode but they are stand-alone stories without any solo questline leading to them so I think it would be a waste of resources.
Other than that - no quest are actually 'mandatory group content'.
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