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so you dont even bother to read and understand....

have a nice life karen

Are you really so dense that you can't see the clear hypocrisy here? lmao

There is seriously something wrong with you. I said you use "direct, insulting language," which you do. I never said anything about it being directed towards specific individuals. You should really read posts more carefully before replying.

Which ranked players? What arsenal? Who is doing it on SF and what are they doing? Oh that's right, you have no clue because you don't play ranked.

What shenanigans? I play ranked virtually every day on SF and the vast, vast majority of matches are just normal people playing the game. Sometimes there's some toxic chat. Sometimes there's unjustified kicking that Bioware should do something about.

You continue to make things up out of thin air and refuse to hear the truth from someone that actually plays ranked. Seriously, consider the fact that you'd rather believe something you've totally fabricated in your mind than listen to someone that plays in the game mode every day lol. The commitment you've shown to your own delusions is almost impressive though.

Are you actually insane? I've never reported anyone on the forums rofl. You should look up what the word "direct" means by the way, since you seem to really be having trouble with the English language lately.

Anyway, here's the most recent example:
I don't think this statement is "toxic." It's your ill-informed opinion and it doesn't bother me in the slightest. And yet, it's still more "toxic" than the vast majority of things said in ranked, and you yourself are more "toxic" on these forums than the vast majority of ranked players are in-game. Do you get it now? Probably not, but there's only so much I can do here.

You're right I don't get your point about me being toxic on the forums then you providing nothing to explain that statement only that, "you are more toxic than blah blah blah and that's why pfft!" That's it? k.

It's very straightforward and not at all emotional, though it is kind of funny to be honest.

You directly, and in a blanket way, insult people that play a certain game mode that you happen to irrationally hate (see your quote from my previous post). You call them names. You acting in that way is literally more "toxic" than the vast majority of ranked players act. The vast majority of ranked players don't call people names.

I bring this up to illustrate to people how absurd your claims about ranked and its players are, as a whole. The existence of a few toxic individuals, most of whom associate with each other, does not say anything about the other hundreds, if not thousands of people playing ranked. I shouldn't have to explain this to you like you're a 5 year old, but here we are.

@Alex

Toxicity is toxicity. It doesn’t matter the amount or the lvl. It’s all bad. What you might consider an “acceptable” amount of toxicity, others find too offensive. So it’s better if there is none.

Also, you misunderstood my previous post. I didn’t mean the queues were dead all the time, even if they are most of the time outside of a few hours a day,

What I meant is the format is dead when no one enjoys the environment and less and less people are playing because of all the problems you’ve listed yourself over the last 18 months. No one really considers it a serious ranking system for all numbers of reasons. ie, wintrading, hacking, queue dodging, kicking people, bots... etc. (not including all the bioware stuff ups as well).

That is what I meant by the format being dead. Now the toxicity by your own accounts is worse than ever, so it’s pretty clear the direction this is ultimately heading.
Wether it’s Biowares fault or the players is debatable. I think both are equally as guilty as the other.

Saying it more won't make it any less nonsensical I'm afraid. I've already given a clear example of two statements where one is much more offensive than the other. I guarantee that if I gave you and Lhance a list of 100 statements from people in game and asked you to rate them toxic or non-toxic, you would have wildly different lists. Not to mention you and he have both said things in game that others have considered "toxic," without question. That's because everyone defines "toxicity" differently. This is an extremely simple concept that I shouldn't have to keep repeating.

Not to mention that just because you find something offensive doesn't mean you're in the right. Again, some people are offended by "save breaker for net and use barrier next time." I've literally been told I was toxic for saying that to someone before. So if that one person says it's toxic, I guess it's toxic. We should just disable chat entirely so no one can get offended.

I enjoy it. Many of the others that queue ranked regularly enjoy it, and most of them are not "toxic" at all.

You, Lhance and a few other ranked haters on the forums doesn't constitute everyone in the game by the way. Just because there are problems (and there are far more problems on DM than SF) does not mean that the game mode doesn't still work properly. It still works and it's still fun.

People can be willing participants and support a toxic atmosphere by not calling others names etc. See, you are mistaken when you think that adding a peanut gallery to these "individuals" doesn't create toxicity, it does.

When you got a large following of sheep who tolerate "toxic individuals" as you like to refer to them, it shows complacency and apathy to the bad they do. That makes anyone at odds with the bad player targeted by the toxic individual and all the snickering in the background by cowardly weak people only gives support to that guy so he continues on with his show.

When no one steps up and tells those individuals what they are doing is wrong, they have a green light to continue it and that's all you do when you pretend that the only problem is the direct behavior of certain toxic players, or as you like to proclaim, only the population or lack of is the problem with ranked.

Well, there's a direct correlation between population and the behavior of the players in that game mode, it's 100% connected. You choose to pretend that it is not, and so we continue to have these toxic social problems in the game when guys like you pretend to be bothered by it yet do nothing to stop it.

Seeing you are in solo ranked all the time, why don't you do soemthing to stop this stuff then if you yourself are aware of it? Why don't you petition your ranked leader clown that loves to troll PVP channels now 24/7 obviously with no life outside of the game but to make other gamers miserable? You ever petitioned that stuff, that you are 100% aware of? No? Oh, why not?

The ranked scene has only decreased in population over the years. There's only one reason why. It's because the mode is compromised by a vast array of different ways to cheat it. Naturally any gamer with a healthy attitude about competition isn't going to be cool with how ranked operates now, so what i see really is either tons of dissatisfaction by those who want it to be better, and then support of the old system by those who love their ranked shinies and know all the tricks to make sure they get them!

If they revamped ranked PVP, and it was actually enjoyable, the game would do BETTER, and that's why I always rail hard against this part of SWTOR. It's only gotten worse, and it's the one part of the game that really needs a facelift. I suppose you disagree with that, too, right?

I'm the one that introduced you to this argument in the thread with Solow...yet you're using it completely out of context, which is hardly surprising. When I used that argument, it was in reference to a specific group of about 5-10 people, all of whom I've directly observed engaging in the behavior I accused them of. And yes, a certain degree of tolerance by the people around them enabled them to do it.

That has nothing to do with the people that just queue up for ranked and play the game and have nothing to do with those people. For example, I deliberately don't associate with them as much as possible, and when I do see them doing bad things, I often say something about it.

I literally do step up and tell them they're wrong all the time lol. When I see unjustified kicking or excessive toxicity, I very frequently speak out against it, and I get hate myself for doing so. The entire thread with Solow was also me speaking out against it. Once again I've said this stuff over and over. You really should pay more attention.

The important point is still that the vast majority of ranked matches and ranked players aren't toxic.

The fact that you think that person is any kind of "leader" is hilarious. Most people consider him a joke. I **** with him all the time on purpose because he's a bad person. By petition, you mean report him? I only report people when I see actual threats, and I have reported him for that before. I also reported his new account for ban evasion.

More babble. I don't use any "tricks." I just play the game to the best of my ability and have fun. So do the vast majority of players in ranked. I'd still like to know what the "vast array of different ways to cheat" solo ranked are, and who is doing it.

Obviously I'd love them to keep improving ranked. But your desire to make ranked "better" doesn't justify constantly spewing nonsense about it. You think that you have to make ranked look terrible to get it changed, so you just make stuff up on the forums to support your agenda.

I use the actual state of solo ranked on SF to back up my opinions, and I have no specific agenda. If something about ranked gets better or worse, I'll report it accurately. They made some very good improvements to ranked for this seasons, such as the win requirements and the leaver penalties. It has not gotten worse in any appreciable sense. 6.1.1 will bring some much needed balance changes, and it will probably be even better.

My agenda? Sorry Alex, ranked is terrible. That's reality.

Maybe one day before the boat sails you will get on board and instead of debating with others who criticize your favorite game mode that it's not that bad, you will actually spend time creating posts on ways how to make it better.

I never seen one of those by you, btw.

You like to make this personal all the time, and point out all my supposed awfulness on the forums, well, how many threads and posts have I created solely for the improvement of one part or another of the game in the past?

How many times have I added my support to an idea or thread, or post that I agreed with that I thought would make the game better? Many times, Alex. In reality one post or thread won't do anything, but when we all get together and work as one, we actually can get changes to occur.

Changes won't happen when instead of supporting change, you attack anyone that proposes change, though. You create strawmen arguments, attack others validity, even when they are asking for things you yourself probably want, too.

Sadly your personal opinion of forum posters cloud how you respond to them though, and it's clear your personal opinion of me will never let you see a grain of truth in anything I write no matter what it is.

My post history isn't only hyperbolic rhetoric about your favorite game mode and how bad it is. How about you though. What's your post history show? Only that you oppose anyone that criticizes solo ranked. That's it.

At best you jump on other people's coattails riding their ideas, but I have never once seen you add anything you personally would like to see added to the game or removed. I suppose it could be a matter of being uncomfortable putting your name on a thread and then being held responsible for what you write and I completely understand that side of it. Not everyone enjoys being judged and ridiculed or called names because they want something added or removed from a game.

If that's the case, cool. But, maybe you ought to consider the fact those who do put their names out there to be judged and ridiculed deserve a little more respect seeing you do not put yourself out there, not even for the game mode you seem to be so fervently in love with. If it has serious flaws that hurt the game, someone like you with your thousands of ranked matches under your belt could really add a lot of levity to a thread or post if you were to support changes to improve it.

Instead, all you do is the opposite of me. You present solo ranked far more positive than it really is. You pretend to not see what EVERYBODY else sees in it. How do you explain that? Essentially we are like polar opposites in how we present our views of ranked.

Sadly the state of ranked supports my view on it more than yours, though. it's not dead that would imply it can't get worse and that's all it does. It gets worse every year. It's now worse, than it's ever been before. Numbers show that, Alex. Facts.

Your agenda is to overhaul ranked. You've admitted it many times. The fact that you think ranked is terrible, based on virtually no evidence, doesn't make it true.

I've made tons of posts like that. I was among the strongest proponents of adding win requirements when people were suggesting it, and I actually put the number 200 wins out there for top 3 as a reasonable amount. And that's what Bioware added. I've made plenty of other suggestions such as adding rating decay, and adding minimum gear requirements for ranked. Just because I haven't personally dedicated a thread to it doesn't mean I haven't made many positive suggestions.

Using misinformation to support an agenda is reprehensible, even if your intentions start out good.

You literally make stuff up about ranked and have no evidence to support the things you assert about ranked. It's shameful, and I will keep pointing it out wherever I see it. If you ever get to a point where you criticize ranked without doing those things, maybe we can have a real discussion.

That's not true at all. I've agreed with you in the past when you've said something reasonable, and I will again in the future if it happens. You seem to think I have some kind of hateful grudge against you, but I don't.

Why don't you actually go look at my post history and you'll see how far from the truth that is lmao

I'm almost speechless at this lol. Why on earth would i be afraid to put my name to something? I've made tons of suggestions. I don't know why you're so hung up on the fact that I haven't made a specific thread with my suggestions. I'm not so arrogant that I've felt the need to do that.

No, I present it how it really is, because I actually play in it.

I don't pretend anything of the sort. You have no views of ranked. You have views that come from inside your mind. My views are based on thousands of matches played over the last 2 years. Your views are based on a literal handful of matches over the last 2 years and the rest you make up. It's strikingly simple.

You don't know what the state of solo ranked is because you don't play it. Ranked is better since they added the win requirements and the leaver penalties. Far, far fewer top 3s are being wintraded right now, at least on SF.

It's honestly just sad that you feel the need to fabricate things to support your views. It's really awful behavior.