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Lhancelot
04.13.2020 , 10:41 PM | #31
I love it. Now, toxicity has levels. Some toxicity isn't "that bad" while other toxicity is? Give me a F ing break dude. And you know who you are. Such nonsense drivel to excuse awful behavior even saying a statement like that makes you look as bad as the culprits who create the toxicity. Giving passes to those who behave unacceptable isn't the right way to go about this.
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JediMasterAlex
04.13.2020 , 11:28 PM | #32
Quote: Originally Posted by TrixxieTriss View Post
You can go back about 4+ years ago and read my predictions this was going to happen. Over the course of time those “really” toxic players have driven more and more reasonable people from ranked and scared others from participating.
No, not really. The reason it's more toxic is simple. A couple people transferred from SS to SF, and they brought a lot of toxicity with them. There was really only one excessively toxic person on SF in season 10 and 11, and he got permabanned (though he's back on a new account).

Quote: Originally Posted by TrixxieTriss View Post
Solo Ranked is dead as a format. I think we can all agree it can’t survive in its current state because of what the ranked community has done to it. I don’t know how you fix it or even if it should be fixed.
Bioware are always so focused on pop times over quality, maybe it’s time to just remove solo ranked and only keep group ranked.
You will get nowhere with this hyperbolic nonsense. Solo ranked is not dead. It still pops every night. Many of the games are still good. I still have fun playing it every day. You should stop believing the posts of people that don't even play the game mode and start listening to those that do, assuming you even want to understand the truth and aren't just on a crusade against ranked.

Quote: Originally Posted by Lhancelot View Post
I love it. Now, toxicity has levels. Some toxicity isn't "that bad" while other toxicity is? Give me a F ing break dude. And you know who you are. Such nonsense drivel to excuse awful behavior even saying a statement like that makes you look as bad as the culprits who create the toxicity. Giving passes to those who behave unacceptable isn't the right way to go about this.
Yes, toxicity clearly has levels. I once spent many pages of a thread explaining it to you in detail. Maybe go back and give it a read if you've already forgotten.

I'm not toxic in ranked. In fact, I often step in when people are getting unjustifiably kicked, and get ridiculed for it. Some of the toxicity crosses the line and is really unacceptable. Most of it is not a big deal at all, because it's not even really toxic. This is especially so because everyone defines toxicity differently. Blanket statements like "no toxicity is acceptable" mean **** all, because no two people define toxicity the same way. As I've explained before, I guarantee you that you, Trixxie, and every other player have said things that someone in game would consider "toxic."

Alos, everyone should keep in mind that cheating/wintrading and toxicity are completely separate problems. Conflating them is inaccurate and only makes your attacks against ranked even clumsier than they already are.

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LordKitana
04.14.2020 , 01:52 AM | #33
Quote: Originally Posted by Gondien View Post
I know you guys are that good, but slaughtering unranked player only deters people from PvP in general. Three guildies declared they are "never going back" after being destroyed by a premade.

Tks.

I kinda wish after a certain Valor level people could only queue Ranked.
Ewww how about no I don't want to be locked into ranked just because I happen to Pvp alot . Plus Valor leveling is ez if all you do is Pvp this wouldn't solve anything lol
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Floplag
04.14.2020 , 03:49 PM | #34
Quote: Originally Posted by JediMasterAlex View Post
Yeah, because facts don't matter

The toxicity is worse this season, but it's still not a big problem most of the time. The problem is when those toxic people take it upon themselves to kick people that don't deserve it at an alarming rate. Once toxicity gets put into action beyond words like that, that's when it becomes an actual problem.
Weve gone down this road before. You seem to think that being a little more or less toxic changes the fact that toxic is toxic. A little poison often kills as effectively as a lot. The degree of it doesn't change its presence. You cant be a little pregnant my friend.
But most importantly, you dont get to decide what toxic means to someone else.
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Floplag
04.14.2020 , 03:50 PM | #35
Quote: Originally Posted by Opiklo View Post
just quote one sentence.... you seem to be the perfect choosing beggar....
Yes i did, as it invalidated the rest and i saw no reason to wall of text the response.
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JediMasterAlex
04.14.2020 , 03:57 PM | #36
Quote: Originally Posted by Floplag View Post
Weve gone down this road before. You seem to think that being a little more or less toxic changes the fact that toxic is toxic. A little poison often kills as effectively as a lot. The degree of it doesn't change its presence. You cant be a little pregnant my friend.
But most importantly, you dont get to decide what toxic means to someone else.
So let's be clear. In your opinion these two statements are equally bad, yes or no:

1. "You suck, stop queueing"
2. "You're a [slur], go kill yourself"

I could add another hundred such statements, all with different degrees of "toxicity." This is common sense and I don't know why so many of you on the forums seem to struggle with it. You're basically saying "a criminal is a criminal" whether he's a murderer or someone caught with weed in his car. Give me a break.

Also, the fact that I can't define "what toxic means to someone else" is essentially my point. I could say to someone, "save breaker for net and use barrier this time" and they could say "wow, that's toxic, don't tell me how to play." This is why saying things like "toxic is toxic" is pure nonsense.

The biggest kicker of all is that you and Lhance are both literally more "toxic" on these forums than the vast majority of ranked players, and certainly more "toxic" than I've ever been in game.

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KendraP
04.14.2020 , 05:33 PM | #37
To be totally fair... though all the experiences I had that I elaborated on in the other thread were bad, the ones telling me my class was too easy to play in solo ranked were... let's go with easier to move on from. I just went to doing something else in game. Where, ironically, I got told I was actually rather good at what I play.

After the ones that were name calling and cursing, I had to separate myself completely for a while, go for a run or something to let the anger go. I felt the need for a physical separation from that level of toxicity.

And please, remember that I am simply giving my personal experience here. I am not elaborating on the big picture, and certainly don't think that anyone should be banned from regs (obviously, outside of flyhacking/cheating/against TOS/etc). I simply wish we could all live the golden rule.

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Lhancelot
04.14.2020 , 05:36 PM | #38
Quote: Originally Posted by JediMasterAlex View Post
So let's be clear. In your opinion these two statements are equally bad, yes or no:

1. "You suck, stop queueing"
2. "You're a [slur], go kill yourself"

I could add another hundred such statements, all with different degrees of "toxicity." This is common sense and I don't know why so many of you on the forums seem to struggle with it. You're basically saying "a criminal is a criminal" whether he's a murderer or someone caught with weed in his car. Give me a break.

Also, the fact that I can't define "what toxic means to someone else" is essentially my point. I could say to someone, "save breaker for net and use barrier this time" and they could say "wow, that's toxic, don't tell me how to play." This is why saying things like "toxic is toxic" is pure nonsense.

The biggest kicker of all is that you and Lhance are both literally more "toxic" on these forums than the vast majority of ranked players, and certainly more "toxic" than I've ever been in game.
Alex. How each statement effects someone could be totally different. You admit both are bad. Well, some may consider the "smaller toxicity" enough to make them not want to play the game ever again.

Anyway, when Floplag and I say the same thing, the stars have aligned and chances are there's some truth in our words.

As for me being toxic on the forums, that just proves even more so you have no idea what toxicity is. No wonder you struggle to see any toxicity in solo ranked right now. It's there, you just are oblivious to it.
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JediMasterAlex
04.14.2020 , 06:03 PM | #39
Quote: Originally Posted by KendraP View Post
And please, remember that I am simply giving my personal experience here. I am not elaborating on the big picture, and certainly don't think that anyone should be banned from regs (obviously, outside of flyhacking/cheating/against TOS/etc). I simply wish we could all live the golden rule.
I sympathize. I really wish that people didn't have to wade through the toxicity, which disproportionately affects new players and people on off-meta classes. My intention with all of my posts about toxicity is never to defend people that go over the line, but merely to point out that such toxicity is basically inevitable in any competitive online game. I don't think there's anything Bioware can or should do about it, short of actioning people in the most extreme cases (racism, threats).

Quote: Originally Posted by Lhancelot View Post
As for me being toxic on the forums, that just proves even more so you have no idea what toxicity is. No wonder you struggle to see any toxicity in solo ranked right now. It's there, you just are oblivious to it.
Toxicity is a malleable term, but you haven't come to grips with that obvious fact yet. You use direct, insulting language on these forums (such as calling ranked players all kinds of names). It doesn't bother me in the slightest, but that is more "toxic" than the vast majority of ranked players.

Also, I'm not oblivious to the kind of language some use in solo ranked. I've literally stated a number of times that the toxicity in ranked is worse this season than the previous two. But even with that being said, it's normally not a big deal. It's not worse than you'll find in many other online games. The real problem is the excessive kicking, which is exacerbated by people coming in undergeared and underprepared for ranked.

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Lhancelot
04.14.2020 , 06:22 PM | #40
Quote: Originally Posted by JediMasterAlex View Post
I sympathize. I really wish that people didn't have to wade through the toxicity, which disproportionately affects new players and people on off-meta classes. My intention with all of my posts about toxicity is never to defend people that go over the line, but merely to point out that such toxicity is basically inevitable in any competitive online game. I don't think there's anything Bioware can or should do about it, short of actioning people in the most extreme cases (racism, threats).



Toxicity is a malleable term, but you haven't come to grips with that obvious fact yet. You use direct, insulting language on these forums (such as calling ranked players all kinds of names). It doesn't bother me in the slightest, but that is more "toxic" than the vast majority of ranked players.

Also, I'm not oblivious to the kind of language some use in solo ranked. I've literally stated a number of times that the toxicity in ranked is worse this season than the previous two. But even with that being said, it's normally not a big deal. It's not worse than you'll find in many other online games. The real problem is the excessive kicking, which is exacerbated by people coming in undergeared and underprepared for ranked.
I only call the offending ranked players what they are. Sorry if a spade is a spade, I call it a spade. I am pretty sure any words I use to describe them hardly bother them they say and write much worse things in the chat channels and in WZs.

I also never call anyone "insulting names directly." That would mean I attach an insult to an exact person I never do that. It's against the rules here on the forums! So, again, you are manipulating the truth, like many of the ranked players do the matches in solo. Must be habit forming, the whole manipulating thing.

The real problem isn't "excessive kicking," it's the plethora of ranked players that use that as just one more tool in their arsenal to troll people! That's just one little "funny" trick they have and use to manipulate the matches.

But, as you said yourself, you have played thousands of matches so you know exactly what I am talking about because it's simply impossible not to witness all the shenanigans that go on especially in solo ranked nowadays.

I'd like some proof of me being toxic, I want to see what you think toxicity is on the forums, and I want to see where I "directly" used insultive names for someone. Point it out. I am sure you tried to report me, but the mods don't act on every report and saying I directly insulted someone is completely false, a blatant lie. Don't let truth get in the way of your narrative though!
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