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It's a twofold problem.

One, they enjoy seeing their numbers at the end, and even better for them is they get to antagonize, bully, and harass other people who are powerless to stop them. That's it really. Not complicated.

Behind anonymity these dudes get off on making others sad, unhappy, or miserable they get off on it. They troll for the sake of it, and they don't care if they ruin other people's fun on a game in fact they enjoy this part of it more than anything else.

The only way to end it is to petition them and have BW deal with them.

you understand because is right and make sense and is logical then you stop being logical when you say it doesn't make it right. who decides who is right and wrong you?

Only solution to fix the problem is to remove that number from the leaderboard and differently from what you think i am all about removing it

people can still use their own log and check their number if they want but it won't be on the scoreboard

that is a logical thing. on the other hand to say do say " it doesn't make it right" it's illogical. But from your rude answer is obvious you are not one of the very reasonable here. it's your way or is wrong (you cannot accept other people point of view)

This quote is just silly.
Ranked in 100% a different style of game than regs, not counting arenas of course, and you know this, or should.

Not everyone is invited to the ranked party, we all know some classes need to apply. Youll be happy if i queue on my Jugg im sure...

Some people, and i know this will be hard for some to understand, actually like objectives. It provides something to think about other than mindless pew pew.

And then of course there is the obvious elephant in the room that much of the ranked community is toxic as can be and has been to one degree or another for many seasons now, who the hades wants to deal with all that childish BS?

And please dont tell me its better this season or that season, it makes no difference whatsoever, it has no place in this game at this time, period. If you want there to actually be a PvP community much longer, some of you need to check yourselves.

just quote one sentence.... you seem to be the perfect choosing beggar....

There are more ways to learn to play than just headbutting yourself to the wall by going into PvP blind and as a new player. For one.. you could ask the person that "destroyed" you, what happened, what you did wrong.

Engage in conversation. ASK for advice. I can't speak for others, and the environment can sometimes be toxic, but personally I am always willing to help people take it to the next level.


You can come here on the forums and complain, but what good does that do to you?
Alternatively you can educate yourself. Put an effort in learning how to do things the right way.. and then you can be the guy destroying, rather than be the guy getting destroyed.

Yeah, because facts don't matter

The toxicity is worse this season, but it's still not a big problem most of the time. The problem is when those toxic people take it upon themselves to kick people that don't deserve it at an alarming rate. Once toxicity gets put into action beyond words like that, that's when it becomes an actual problem.

Pretty much this

Well said 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👍🏻

Absolutely 😍

100% agree. Except people don’t seem to care about getting better anymore and the majority of people who “could” help, won’t help or they’ve left the game and others like myself get sick of being abused when we offer help. I’m sure there are some who would like to ask for help but also get sick of being ignored or abused, so they also stay quiet.

It’s catch-22. The bad attitudes, the “normalisation” of not playing objectives and the premade gank groups or sheep that follow them and pass on these bad habits completely out weigh people willing to turn pvp around. And if it doesn’t turn around, the last semblance of pvp in this game will be gone soon. Even the ranked guys are running out of people to play (a lot has to do with their attitudes) and they are now doing the same to regs.

And there in lays the problem. They destroy the community and then complain they have no one to play against and all the while tell people regs don’t count and so no one tries or gets better in regs AND new players have bad experiences and leave because of it all and we are back to a snake eating it’s own tail till all we have is a handful of toxic people driving the direction of pvp in this game and driving new and old people away from it.

Most (not all) of the problems come back to the community itself. If we want a good pvp experience, we need to to take some responsibility for making it that way.
The old arguments about “I pay, so I’ll play the way I want” or “it’s Regs, don’t take it seriously” or “its regs, who cares” or “its an MMO, get some friends and premade yourself”, have become cliche meme’s for selfish players who don’t give a damn about anyone else. Which leads to a toxic or uninviting environment that isn’t fun or enjoyable unless you bow down to those people and accept it as how it was designed.

In the past these people would get diluted out through a larger population. But we have a very small community now that is constantly shrinking because of these people (not counting Biowares self inflicted wounds). And now these selfish players seem to be more than half or even the majority these days. They really only have themselves to blame with ranked dying or not popping. They’ve encouraged poor attitudes in both ranked and regs and are now pushing their toxic trolling more into regs because no one wants to play with them in ranked.

Bioware aren’t innocent in all of this. They also have a lot to answer for, but that’s a different conversation.

If it was me, I would remove premades of more than 2 people. At least that way the queue “should” split those 4 people across 2 teams. Then if they want to be idiots, they can hunt each other down.
Don’t get me wrong, I used to love 4 man premades when we had a good population and enough good players to warrant them. But they’ve outlived their usefulness in this game. And for every argument for them, there are twice as many for against having premades as they currently are if we want pvp to last a bit longer.

One last thing for others reading this and looking for help. I really think reading Nalaa’s guide that’s stickied in ths forum (and linked in my signature) is an excellent tool to get people on the right track. But I question how many bother to read it or direct others to read it when they see they need help. I know its not a silver bullet or anything to make people better, but anything’s better than nothing and it’s a great reference guide on for pvp related info. It’s such a shame Nalaa doesn’t play anymore to update it.

You can go back about 4+ years ago and read my predictions this was going to happen. Over the course of time those “really” toxic players have driven more and more reasonable people from ranked and scared others from participating.

There is now such a toxic and nasty concentration, that unless you are part of it, you are on the outer. It’s worse than the cliche mean girls in high school and if you don’t bow down to them or you have a disagreement, you get on the outer yourself, even if you were once part of the cliche.

They really only have themselves to blame for no one wanting to play ranked. And this needs to be said, all those who have “enabled” them over the years are just as much to blame. Including those who are now complaining about it, but were once defending the “toxicity” as not being toxic. Enabling bullies and bad behaviour gives them power.

Basically, ranked is pretty much dead because of these people. So much has come from cheating, wintrading, toxicity and now kicking players they don’t like or they want to troll. AND now we have people defending their behaviour in regs too. How much longer till regs go the same way as ranked did?

There is zero excuse for 75% of the attitudes and behaviours that have been in ranked and there is zero excuse for 100% of it in regs.
“We” the community need to decide if we want to argue with each other on the forums to validate these aweful people’s behaviour while they degrade pvp in regs OR we stand as one and look at the bigger picture and deride them for this behaviour everytime it rear’s it’s ugly head.

The game is old. The systems are old. The way pvp was originally set up has out grown the game. Bioware need to change some stuff, but they won’t if all we do is bicker and give them justifications for not changing things like premades in regs or making objective pvp count more than number crunching.

Solo Ranked is dead as a format. I think we can all agree it can’t survive in its current state because of what the ranked community has done to it. I don’t know how you fix it or even if it should be fixed.
Bioware are always so focused on pop times over quality, maybe it’s time to just remove solo ranked and only keep group ranked.

Then have two other queues
1. Arena
2. Objective pvp
Increase the rewards via a currency that people can use to buy “bling” from a ranked type pvp vendor. But this currency is linked to winning when playing arena. And for objective pvp it should be linked to winning as well as objective points and possibly medals (as long as Bioware revamp the medal system).
It should never be linked to number crunching and I think a huge part of the problem is number crunching has become such a big part of the game at the detriment to trying to win or play the objectives that it has degraded 8v8 pvp into the disaster it is.

While forum pvp can be fun or occupies our attention, it’s a distraction and only divides us when we make it personal or do it to just troll for the sake of it.