My opinion regarding the existing and outdated Ranking System

@Lhancelot:
The thing is, there is a big difference between saying "Solo Ranked has huge issues" (maybe even issues so big that some find it "unplayable") and saying "Every Solo Ranked player is a 12 yo kid that cheats, and therefore every ELO gain has to be cheated aswell".
I didn't read through all of the thread but I feel like this is the core issue in the discussion. Nobody denies the massive problems of or happening in Solo Ranked, but putting every player into one basket or accusing that streamer of cheating, just because he shows his games to the public and happens to gain ELO doing so, is just unnecessary blame directed towards the wrong people.

You better take a look at a certain person that actually streams himself queueing ranked while speed- and wall-hacking (in case you know the Twitch account name, well he deleted the VOD, but if you don't I can link it to you in PMs, maybe you catch his next stream doing it). Until that person and a few others don't get hardware bans, Ranked is a *****how on many occasions (and that's not including general unnecessary toxicity or vote kicks even). Everyone is fine to not queue, if they are annoyed by it and don't find Ranked enjoyable because of that, but don't put your blame on simply everyone, putting them in one big basket with false accusations.

Also, everyone is free to have his opinion about the value of ELO in swtor. But before complaining about the system, you should try to understand it first. And yes, you might have to do more than 5 ranked matches to get there.

That's not even remotely what I said or implied. By framing opinions properly, you allow everyone to assess those opinions with the proper context.

For example, if I say "solo ranked is great!" And you say "solo ranked is terrible!" those are both worthless statements, because no one knows how we came to form those opinions or what information they're based on.

If instead I say something like "I've played thousands of solo ranked games on star forge over the last two years and my opinion about the current state of solo ranked is X." And you say something like "I used to play ranked in the past, but in the last two years I've only played a handful of matches, and my opinioin about the current state of solo ranked is Y".

That context lets people understand the relative value of those opinions. You don't do that though. You spout nonsense about ranked and say it's "facts." If people that actually play ranked disagree with me about certain aspects of solo ranked, I'd be happy to discuss those differences with them.

So, if writing "ranked has huge problems" would be better for you guys than my last post we just have to agree to disagree.

I feel much better writing things the way I do it and if others can't recognize a generalization without taking offense to it that's their problem not mine. Generalizations are not meant to be taken literally.

Also, other people must have a reading comprehension problem.

I have explained how many ranked matches I have played over the years, when I played, and when I quit. Nowhere did that amount ever come to 5 total matches of ranked in my lifetime as it's presented by the peanut gallery of ranked players who defend it's present state. lol

Anyway, enjoy that narrative too. ^

Since we all going to make up false narratives and generalizations seem to confuse/bother people so much here's one in the form of a question...

Why are ranked players immature, misogynistic, racist spewing manbabies who rather keep ranked in it's defunct and awful state rather than see it improved upon?

Particularly if that means they'd have to give up all the methods of cheats they have developed over the years to ensure maximum pixel collection of the ranked rewards. Why is that?

Inquiring minds want to know.

The match quality means nothing to the ranked crowd, that much is apparent by how they defend it in it's present state.

You're not only making generalizations. You're making specific allegations that are not true, such as when you grossly exaggerate the amount of cheating/wintrading.

And I accurately spelled that out. Playing a handful of matches over a year ago is your most recent experience and it means you have literally no first hand knowledge of the current state of solo ranked.

So you're admitting to arguing in bad faith. That's as low as you can get as far as forum posting goes. The rest of your post is legitimately unhinged. Trying to lump a diverse ranked community (at least hundreds, if not thousands of players) all together, as if we're all the same and have the same views, is ridiculous. You should be ashamed of yourself.

While I agree that the current rating system is outdated and might need some.. tweaks, my only problem with it and the MAIN problem I always had was that losing costs way too damn much.

I agree... that if one loses a game it must have consequences, but in this case here.. it's too much.

Let's say you win 2 in a row + 10 + 9 and you can easily lose the next two and you end up with - 11 -13. Now you are back to worse position then you've been before.

This is bad because honeslty(at least in my case) it totally demoralizes players from starting over again.

I am pretty sure that the devs could come up with a better way of ranking and distributing points for wins and loses if they wanted to, but like I said many times, it isn't on their priority list .

quite simple really.


Remove solo que, bring back 8v8 ranked.

This will revive 8v8 warzones, revive tactical pvp.

It will open up opportunities for none favoured classes that perform well on 8v8 maps but poorly in 4v4 random setups (snipers, dot spreaders, area healers) to be included.

It will force pvpers to talk again and make friends, teams and guilds.

How this game has ever allowed "rewards" for solo rating is criminal. You can be legendary but its a roll of the dice and i dont care what rating or titles you own for solo. It is no reflection of your skill, just your persistence.

If this were true, how are some able to get consistently high ratings and others cannot? Why can I get high ratings on some classes, but not others? My level of persistence is the same, but I'm better at some classes than I am at others. If you play enough games, the random factors even out, including random teammates, and your "skill" (this is mmo pvp, so I'm not sure skill is even the right word here) is all that's left. Your rating at any one time may not be perfectly reflective, because streaks can and do happen, but the range of rating you play at after a certain number of games is relatively accurate.

Playing in a team setting tests different skills, and whatever rating you end up with as part of a team can as easily be attributed to being carried by your teammates as it can to your individual effort. I've seen plenty of players that fancy themselves "leet" team ranked players that are garbage in solos when they aren't carried. Also, 8v8 ranked died for a reason. There was not a population to support it years ago. If they brought it back, it would virtually never pop.

So you honestly believe that your skill, whatever that may be, can counter the other three randoms on your team being lesser than the other team? Really? That one player can make up for the deficiencies of three others in a 4v4 match?
Over a large sample, the randomness should balance out, (emphasis on should as it doesnt always) but match to match, no. For some things dont always balance out, luck is a huge factor.
All i know is i see a lot of people with very high ratings, that dont impress me... and a lot of people with out any or very low, that do. I trust my eyes more than ratings at this point, we simply have too small a pool and too many ways to manipulate it.

I agree that for any one match, any number of factors can determine the outcome regardless of your skill. Whether that's bad teammates, a disconnection, relative team compositions, a player forgot their gear, etc, etc. That's why I always try to make it clear that you need a certain number of games, and that elo is only accurate as a range.

That's rather short sighted of you. Anyone can look good in the right circumstances. Consistent success in solo ranked is an infinitely better indicator of skill than your subjective interpretation of a player in regs.

that would depend entirely on how you calculate that success. If youre using rating, we can agree to disagree.
Im not saying that every high rated player doesnt deserve it, of course thats not true, but i would venture that at least half if not more of those in the upper ranges probably doesnt.