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Loot Toggle and Gear Drops

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Sinhammer
12.04.2019 , 08:53 AM | #61
I have 13 characters I play on, 12 of them DPS. All of them receive either tank or healing bonus gear via their weekly, Ops, etc. boxes, in spite of all being set to their appropriate discipline. It's gotten to the point of it being ridiculous, and it's just way too much to keep up with. It really does need to be addressed. I'd estimate a good 60 or 70% of what I get on my DPS characters are Healing bonus pieces, with Tank pieces mixed in and then very rarely DPS pieces mixed in. Most of my DPS sets I've had to purchase on my own with frags because of it.

FIX THIS.
He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man.
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Goreshaga
12.04.2019 , 01:18 PM | #62
My lvl 75 shadows all receive a lot of canons and rifles even in renown crates, that's annoying as it's completely useless to them... And i don't have any lvl 75 who can use these right now
In need of more Arcann, Aric, Torian, Vector, and a lot, lot, lot more Theron.
There's nothing like geting too much Theron

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TrixxieTriss
12.04.2019 , 07:22 PM | #63
Quote: Originally Posted by Sinhammer View Post
I have 13 characters I play on, 12 of them DPS. All of them receive either tank or healing bonus gear via their weekly, Ops, etc. boxes, in spite of all being set to their appropriate discipline. It's gotten to the point of it being ridiculous, and it's just way too much to keep up with. It really does need to be addressed. I'd estimate a good 60 or 70% of what I get on my DPS characters are Healing bonus pieces, with Tank pieces mixed in and then very rarely DPS pieces mixed in. Most of my DPS sets I've had to purchase on my own with frags because of it.

FIX THIS.
Just to clarify, you mean set pieces and not mod drops etc. ?

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Sinhammer
12.04.2019 , 10:18 PM | #64
Quote: Originally Posted by TrixxieTriss View Post
Just to clarify, you mean set pieces and not mod drops etc. ?
Yes, I mean set pieces. If I'm not getting generic set pieces (The Victor, etc.) I am more often than not pulling Medic gear, and I have no idea why. I have absolutely no desire to play a medic. If a player chooses a DPS discipline then they should be getting RNG loot from a DPS pool--DPS mods, armoring, enhancements, the occasional set piece, etc. My 75 Warrior and Sentinel--both set to Fury and its respective counterpart--randomly get tank set pieces with dps mods in them. Just--why? Why can't this be fixed? I understand they want us to grind, grind, grind for content but good grief.
He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man.
----Darth Wolfhammer Hellstorm of Star Forge----

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TrixxieTriss
12.05.2019 , 10:57 PM | #65
Quote: Originally Posted by Sinhammer View Post
Yes, I mean set pieces. If I'm not getting generic set pieces (The Victor, etc.) I am more often than not pulling Medic gear, and I have no idea why. I have absolutely no desire to play a medic. If a player chooses a DPS discipline then they should be getting RNG loot from a DPS pool--DPS mods, armoring, enhancements, the occasional set piece, etc. My 75 Warrior and Sentinel--both set to Fury and its respective counterpart--randomly get tank set pieces with dps mods in them. Just--why? Why can't this be fixed? I understand they want us to grind, grind, grind for content but good grief.
I don’t disagree at all. As you can see from all my feed back posts. But as long as you aren’t getting defensive/ shield mods, enhancements, ear and implants, that part of the system is working as intended. Even if the armoring stats, etc, would be better suited to tank specs.

But as you rightly point out. You are getting tank set pieces with dps gear inside. And that’s the bug with the whole system.

If they can stop us getting the shield and defensive mods, etc, then there is absolutely ZERO reason they can’t stop us getting dedicated tank sets for dps, etc.

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TrixxieTriss
12.09.2019 , 03:27 PM | #66
Another flash point and another wrong tactical

Your class role and spec?

Juggernaut Rage (DPS)

Your toggled role (if different)?

Tried using the "current setting" toggle

Current item rating?

iRating 306

Where did you receive the item?

“Illum” Master Mode Flash point (FYI, did not get one 306 item in the whole flash point)

Exactly what item did you receive?

Ancient Tome of Wrath (tanking tactical)
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My wife and I also have multiple of those exact tactical’s and have multiple preservers set bonus gear dropped from our Deception Assassin’s. We are now deconstructing it as it useless to us. We are at the point of not even bothering to play anymore.
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Eric, do you need us to keep posting these bugs, or do you now have enough evidence and feed back to fix them???
Just want to know so I can stop posting if you have enough (this is getting tiresome) or do I need to keep posting each time this happens??

I would appreciate if you would reply.

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aristein
12.10.2019 , 03:22 AM | #67
Quote: Originally Posted by EricMusco View Post
Hey folks,

I have seen quite a few posts since Onslaught launched regarding intended loot drops for characters, especially as it relates to the loot toggle. First, let me do a quick recap on exactly how loot is determined for your character (or the selected toggle) and then I have some specific details I will need for anyone experiencing “bugged” loot drops. For the remainder of this post anytime I refer to you, your spec, etc I am always referring to either what your current Advanced Class and Discipline are, or the role you have selected, as the behavior is the same based on either.
  • Stats – One thing that may not be clear about stats is that they effectively fall into two buckets, tank and non-tank. Tanks will receive their respective stats (Defense, Absorb, etc). Healers and DPS stats are mostly similar so they are in the same bucket currently.
  • Set Bonuses and Tacticals – These are quite a bit more simple than stats as these should always drop for your current character and should always drop items usable in that spec. Keep in mind that usable by your spec means base class and general sets also. Ex: You are a madness sorc, it is intended that the system could drop an Inquisitor set for you (even if that specific set may seem more useful for a healer, it is a base class set usable by all Inquisitors)

Now, the place that things get a little complicated is that although the game targets drops specifically for your character there is one situation where it doesn’t and that is anything that counts as a world drop. The most likely place this would happen is on any non-boss NPC kill (there is a very small chance that bosses can drop a world drop as an extra drop). Every other place you get loot; boss kills, Renown Crates, Conquest Crates, Missions Reward crates (such as from PvP or Heorics) will all always drop loot specifically for you. This means that it is possible to get items not for your spec, but that only happens from the rarest place those items drop (standard world drops).

If you are receiving an off-spec item based on the information above, that is likely a bug. With that in mind, here is the information I need to help the team investigate the issue:
  • Your class role and spec?
  • Your toggled role (if different)?
  • Current item rating?
  • Where did you receive the item?
  • Exactly what item did you receive?

Please be as specific as possible when providing the above details and thank you in advance for the information. I am already grabbing this information from the other relevant threads where these details are provided, just want to get it one place for investigation.

-eric
The biggest example that comes to mind is my lightening sorcerer has a full set of healing gear (6 piece), and half of a second set of a different healing set already (both for inquisitor/consular class). And, not a single dps 6 piece set drop even though 8 of my 9 characters are dps! I believe almost all of them came from conquest reward boxes (maybe an onderon box and a pvp weekly box or three as well...can't remember) from both my lightening sorcerer and my jedi Infiltration shadow (which doesn't even have a healing spec but gets consular healing gear nevertheless).

My gunnery trooper has almost a full 6 piece set of healing gear as well....but not a single 6 piece dps set piece.

They all come from reward boxes...mostly conquest, but occassionally the onderon weekly box, or pvp weekly box. The fp and story ops drops seem to only give generic or 4 pieces sets (except The Victor set of which I have 4 fulls sets already).

It would be really nice if reward boxes all dropped (mostly) 6 piece sets that adhere to our preferences. I mean I read somewhere that purchasing set pieces with tech frags was not supposed to be the main way of getting a 6 piece set to use. But it is really the ONLY way to get it today. Most of what drops (fp's or reward boxes) isn't that useful, isn't what we want, and almost never adheres to our preference gear selection; ....fp's dropping generic crap, and reward boxes dropping gear for other specs (and generic gear). To actually get the best 6 piece set for our spec, you have to buy them with tech frags (all of them!).

In fact out of all the gear I have gotten (from anywhere), the only set piece that that dropped from conquest boxes that I actually wanted was a chestpiece for my sniper (precision targeter's). Unfortunately, I had already bought that piece with tech frags, so even the one set piece that I wanted (out of literally dozens that dropped) was useless.

Oh, and you asked for our gear level. All my 9 toons are 306 and have been for a while now. Also, I guess since I don't like any of the tanking gear for Juggs, I guess you could say I got about 4 pieces of The Final Breath set for him to drop from reward boxes (all conquest I think) and from multiple characters (I don't remember which dropped for which character sorry). And, so I just bought him the 2 missing pieces to give him a "tanking" set. But honestly a set that doesn't give any bonuses until you are below half health isn't that useful. But it is one of the few 6 piece set items that occasionally drop from reward boxes (I don't use this character, so none of them could have dropped from fp's, and I don't remember getting any pieces of this set dropping for the characters I do run fp's with....so they all must have come from reward boxes). But I do distinctly remember buying only 2 pieces of the set for him...and only because I had most of the set.

Anyway, if you guy's intention was to have the BiS gear actually drop for us (in reward boxes, fp's, etc.) for our class and our spec/preference, you have failed. It has literally only happened once for me. And, I run 9 characters for large conquest every week, 2-3 through the pvp weekly (unranked) most weeks, do heroic weeklies on 3-4 characters (onderon), and have run the **** out of red reaper (vet and MM). So, if any of those are supposed to drop BiS gear pieces for our spec, I can confirm with confidence that they don't.
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Kerdor
12.10.2019 , 12:25 PM | #68
306 iLevel Balance Sage; specifically set to Balance in loot discipline.

Opened Medium Conquest Equipment Crate

2 Separate Empowered Restorer's Set Bonus Pieces dropped. (Boots/Robe btw)

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306 iLevel Gunnery Commando; specifically set to Gunnery in loot discipline

Opened Medium Conquest Equipment Crate

Tech Medic boots dropped

What is the point of specifying a loot discipline when drops are far too often for the wrong spec and more specifically PLAY STYLE? If I wanted to heal; i'd do so; not because gear drops are hinting at it.

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sugarnails
12.10.2019 , 11:32 PM | #69
Your class role and spec?
DPS - Gunnery Commando

Your toggled role (if different)?
Gunnery

Current item rating?
306

Where did you receive the item?
Small Conquest Equipment Crate

Exactly what item did you receive?
Tech Medic's Boots (This is the third copy of this item I have received from conquest crates on dps specced and toggled commando/merc mirrors)

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mekon
12.11.2019 , 04:47 PM | #70
Your class role and spec?
Deception Assassin

Your toggled role (if different)?
N/A

Current item rating?
254 (was a bit lower at the time of receiving the items)

Where did you receive the item?
Flashpoints on Shadow of Reven
Battle of Rishi & Torch's Flame


Exactly what item did you receive?
1) Masterwork Ancient Survivor Gloves
2) Masterwork Ancient Bastion Package


This was a few days ago. I have still had a few tank spec gear drop for me from KOTFE also but not Masterwork gear.