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Obi-Wan Kenobi Knowing???


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Venan
12.31.2011 , 04:49 AM | #11
If we want to take the recent Clone Wars series into account (which it seems everyone is) I am 100% sure Obi-Wan knew.

While I am not sure on any specifics, I KNOW I recall a few telling looks or sidelong glances Obi-Wan shot Anakin/Padme on more than one occasion. And yes, we have the line in RotS "Anakin is the father, isn't he?" And, as Brandon mentions, knew about their love for each other by the end of Episode II.

To quote:
Anakin: Put the ship down!
Obi-Wan: Anakin! Don't let your personal feelings get in the way!
Anakin: Lower the ship!
Obi-Wan: I can't take Dooku alone! I need you! If we catch him, we can end this war right now! We have a job to do!
Anakin: I don't care! Put the ship down!
Obi-Wan: You will be expelled from the Jedi order!
Anakin: I CAN'T LEAVE HER!
Obi-Wan: COME TO YOUR SENSES! What do you think Padme would do were she in your position?
Anakin: ....She would do her duty.

He is fully aware, he's just choosing to remain quiet about it.

The reasons why are also fairly clear; Anakin is like a brother to him. He cares about him, and even though he may have reprimanded him for it he wouldn't ruin Anakin's life as a Jedi by telling the Council. As Padme says to Anakin, Obi-Wan knew and "want[ed] to help," and I believe that wholeheartedly. ESPECIALLY considering this recent Duchess of Mandalore subplot. Obi-Wan's been there, he knows what it's like.

Actually, I find Anakin's actions even MORE infuriatingly stupid CONSIDERING Obi-Wan's past. He was willing to leave the Order for a woman; don't you think he'd understand your position? Of course, this all chalks up to "meh" writing.


Rayla_Felana, I'm not sure where you are getting your info from. It's stated time and time again that Jedi are forbidden from relationships. The ONLY exception I can think of for that time period is Jedi Master Ki-Adi-Mundi. A very special exception was made for him because of the odd sex ratio for his species, in order to ensure they wouldn't die out.
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jarjarloves
12.31.2011 , 06:41 AM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfninjajedi View Post
He never lied in that video.
your joking right??? How about the most obvious one "Your father wanted you to have this, it's his light saber"


Anakin and Obi Wan never have a conversation about that. So how could Obi Wan know he wanted him to have it? Anakin didn't even know he was going to have a son.


Now if Obi wan said "Your father WOULD HAVE wanted you to have this' then you would be correct.


Obi Wan also didn't take it upon himself to train Anakin when they met. He tried to convince Qui Gon NOT to train him. It was Qui Gons dying request that Obi Wan train him and even then he did so reluctantly

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Sneen
12.31.2011 , 08:18 AM | #13
But after that, and after Yoda's message that the Council agreed Anakin be trained by Obi-Wan, he took that job upon him without any reservation. I don't think their relationship could've become as tight as it did, otherwise.

Besides, in ANH Obi's become quite old, and we know that memory always plays tricks on the mind. It's possible that he remembered it that way.

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TKMaster
12.31.2011 , 08:28 AM | #14
Jedi are kinda like Catholic preists, and other than the obvious wich i wont mention, theres alot of affairs between preists and nuns and even preists and preists. Others know it goes on but rarely does anyone call Rome over it.

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ShadowRyuu
12.31.2011 , 08:48 AM | #15
Of cause Obi Wan lied and was like "You're father wanted you to have this."
He wasn't going to say "This is your fathers light-saber. I had to cut of both his legs and an arm to get it. I then left him beside a lava flow. Anyway, have fun."
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IAJAKI
12.31.2011 , 09:04 AM | #16
Quote:
"I guess I didn't read the Toydarian Print." Anakin growled.
I like how we all just skipped over the racist joke here! Since it's pretty common knowledge watto was an Arab/Jew stereotype, Anakin just said the equivalent of "I didn't read the Jew print". Unless "fine" as in "fine print" is a race on earth.
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Wolfninjajedi
12.31.2011 , 09:36 AM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by jarjarloves View Post
your joking right??? How about the most obvious one "Your father wanted you to have this, it's his light saber"


Anakin and Obi Wan never have a conversation about that. So how could Obi Wan know he wanted him to have it? Anakin didn't even know he was going to have a son.


Now if Obi wan said "Your father WOULD HAVE wanted you to have this' then you would be correct.


Obi Wan also didn't take it upon himself to train Anakin when they met. He tried to convince Qui Gon NOT to train him. It was Qui Gons dying request that Obi Wan train him and even then he did so reluctantly
So your saying just because Anakin never said on screen he wanted to give his lightsaber to his son, that makes Obi-Wan a liar? And yes Obi-Wan did take it upon himself to train Anakin, even if it was his dying master's request he still went through it to train him.
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jarjarloves
12.31.2011 , 11:15 AM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfninjajedi View Post
So your saying just because Anakin never said on screen he wanted to give his lightsaber to his son, that makes Obi-Wan a liar? And yes Obi-Wan did take it upon himself to train Anakin, even if it was his dying master's request he still went through it to train him.
Because Anakin and Obi Wan never talk about his kids. Obi Wan doesn't even know they are Anakins kids until Anakin left for Mustafar and then he hides aboard Padmes ship. The next time Anakin and Obi Wan are together they are fighting to the death so... yeah that could have never happened even off screen.


As for Obi Wan. following his masters request is NOT taking it upon himself. Thats doing what he is told. If he took it upon himself to train him he would have been the one suggesting that Anakin is trained.


Also what about "No my father didn't fight in the Wars he was a navigator on a spice freighter" "That's what your Uncle told you he didn't believe in your fathers ideals and thought he shouldn't get involved"

1. Lars never met Obi Wan until when Obi Wan brings Luke to him.

2. The Clone Wars hadn't started so there was no war to go to.

3. The idea that the conversation would have had to been "OH hi I just met you I don't believe in your ideals that your a Jedi Knight you shouldn't go off to war that hasn't started yet instead you should stay here on a moisture farm with me" is just ridiculous

4. Even if they did have that conversation how would Obi Wan know about it?