Is It Time To Get Rid of Ranked for Good?

This is one reason I'm hoping they reshape the way rewards are handed out when it comes to individual players. It literally makes no sense to reward players using the current system. Literally this is the result, virtually 100%, unless you manipulate the queues by strategically declining/syncing, etc.

Legit player playing a large amount of matches with totally random pairings of fellow players: always a net loss.

Legit player playing a small amount of 10-20 matches: results vary based purely on luck of the draw

Wintrader: Always a significant gain.

In all scenarios, legitimate players are punished by actually participating in the game mode. That's just ridiculous. Since when should logging in at specific times of day/night be a prerequisite for success in a game mode? Also ridiculous.

Well since it's solo ranked, our performance shouldn't be measured based on 3 other randoms. So yo que solo, but still depend on a team.

Ranking players based on in individual performance might not be possible in SWTOR sadly because;

1. the game had already 10 seasons with almost zero changes to how ranked works even when Bio had more resources in the past.

2. It requires a complete rework of the game mode that takes into account a lot of factors like win, your damage output etc and honeslty I just don't see any other method that could work. I am too dumb to think of something that makes sense.

So the win/loss will stay I'm afraid but they should get rid of this dumb first 10 games thing. Make wins count more.. and remove ELO based matchmaking. Should be totally random.

... but mass queing should help you improve rating and get good games. Currently it doesn't and if you are unable to get good rating for some reason and still want rewards, you are basically forced to mass que to collect tokens because you will have mediocre rating and won't afford the nice rewards either..

Like I said in my previous post, I did some digging on net to try and find some talks about the fist seasons and players were complaining about the same thing. Did something change in the meantime ? Apart from this recent matchmaking change there have been zero improvements in the way ranked works.

And I have a feeling for Bioware it's simply not worth it to spend their limited resources and something that is played by such a small portion of the playerbase.

My biggest issue with ranked is that you might lose a lot... in an unfair way and that is very hard to recover.

Guys, learn to enjoy life.. and don't stress over ranked. Sometimes I feel like I am a gambling addict. I lose elo..and then keep queing to try and get it back. That's exactly what gamblers do when they lose money on the slot machine...

What if it's designed to make us fail... and keep us hooked to it = subbed etc..

Is it closed finally ? I feel like it is on DM .. today so many pro-premdes in regs. not usually seen such, Like 2-3 ppl same guild + using grenades + using chained stuns ...
...ya, but when mara wastes opening chain - he just runs away not trying to capture - funny ...

Btw, post above - "totaly random" called "regs". Ranked was made for to match by ELO. That is main purpose of its creation. Because old days premades with voice comm were wiping randoms. So Bio made special queue called "ranked" for them.

I mostly agree with your general sentiment, but I just want to say, it is possible to get gold on a dps char if you queue a lot. I know because I did it last season and I did it again this season (granted, I got it fairly early this season due to some luck). I queue more than anyone else on Star Forge, and it's true that when you queue a lot, you go through a lot of ups and downs, but it's still possible to get gold if you climb slowly or get on a lucky winstreak. As for getting top 3, that is probably impossible, as the vast majority of those in the top 3 do not queue regularly. As you point out, even the ones that are not wintraders are still taking advantage of a broken system in many ways.

Well.. if you get 1450 after 10 games you will have a very good shot at gold if you don't blow it...

But if you end up with 1050 for example it will be a nightmare. Not saying it's impossible but not very likely or it will be very hard..Depends also on class. Your best shot to pull it off would be a merc.

I started with around 1380 on mara then fell back 1030 and back to almost 1300 again and was steadily climbing.. I made a sent to try again on rep side, failed my first 10 and basically was just losing. Then I crippled my main too and lost 150 points in 3 days. Basically I should just delete....

You know it's sometimes difficult when you work so much and keep it steady around 1300 for 200 games then lose it all... morale gows down and then u can't play at full potential.I totally blame myself as my rating is that of a bot now... and it this point I feel like queing to improve but am scared to just ruin it even further.

What this has taught me is that losing just breeds losing in SR.

To call that abomintion as ranked pvp first there should be an actual matchmaking. Where full below 1k team playing against full gold tier players, one team with no healer, one team with top 3 healer other with 900 rating healer is not ranked. It is just regs with cartel market below bronze quality rewards and toxic players. This **** cant be named as ranked, it is regs arenas that is all. Zero ****s are given by BW and soon there wont be ranked since it is getting worse and worse.

This post really made me feel a bit of sadness.

All it did was not only make your point clear about the misunderstanding but it concisely reminded me how far the game has fallen from just a few years ago.

By listing some of the grandest features the game once had along with this being when gameplay was enjoyable and fairly fresh and more importantly fun.

Oh, to the point of the thread, no they ought to just change how they keep track of rating or score it. Clearly it's not possible to stop the manipulation of ELO.

ELO doesn't prove how adept a player is on a toon in SWTOR PVP though, and that's the whole purpose, right? If this point of the system is defunct then it's not working correctly and that means it needs changed to a system that better represents a player's actual skill or at the very least indicate a degree of difficulty or work put in for top titles and rewards.

As the ranked system stands right now, the only people who benefit with how it's operating are the wintraders and cheats/hacks. The scoring system should not be set up this way, where it's rewarding the cheaters far more frequently than the honest and legit players. Sharkfishman also stated something similar to this last point, and it's true.



TL;DR

ELO here seems more apt to indicate mostly one thing, whether the toon was likely wintraded or not.

We do not want to claim all top 3s are wintraders, but what I am trying to say in all the other threads is that you wont get up the leaderboards if you just que at any time. If the people really were legit and got a top 3 they did it with a huge effort of checking who is in que, who is online, if there is que syncing going on, botting going on etc. They had to check what classes are in que to know if to que Sin or Merc and much more.

Still, this cannot be like that. Top 3 should be about the players skills and not about strategic quing with specific classes at specific times....

Well, no problem I have no qualms about writing it for you, I believe the majority of top 3 titles have been cheated for, and if they really wanted to streamline and find who is cheating, investigate those toons.

Wouldn't they be able to track IPs to all the different toons, and then find even more unknown toons that those same players used for wintrading?

If you did nothing wrong, their investigation ought to bring zero trouble to those who legit got their top 3 titles and ELO.

I just think BW needs to stop pussyfooting around with this situation, ranked has only become less enjoyable over the years (like the entire game actually... hmm.)

If they revamped ranked PVP and how it's scored, it couldn't hurt the meta at this point. I bet ranked PVP is even less played than GSF at this point, and if not it ought to be. Just flip the sandbox on ranked, and start over!

There's still a lot of potential for this game if they take the right steps to get it back on track. Less grinding facets, more enjoyable gameplay features do need worked on though.

If BW listens to feedback, and fix the bugs in SWTOR they got a chance, if they ignore players again the next large game patch will really do some major damage to SWTOR imo.

i agree with the concept, but cheating is hardly the only reason ratings are meaningless. take your choice between blatant cheating, low population, the fact you can easily check who's queuing, and plenty more.