Time to merge the US servers... again. Primetime window getting smaller and smaller.

R.I.P. in peace Sword in Box... 😥

Sword in Box is sharing a meal in the afterlife with Orange Pixel.

I only read the forums when I'm at work (I know, real productive ) and I always miss the good stuff on weekends.

The only changes that I've talked about that fit your mischaracterization are the nerfs to PvE done specifically for PvP. So if they nerfed PvP to accommodate PvE, you'd be what, dancing in the streets with joy? Actually, it's fairly obvious what you'd be doing: Complaining that we need a server merge, because despite how much you think it's worth spending money on, there's apparently, again based on the existence of this thread, a lacking population, and the only "suggestions" I've seen are to apply bandaids to a PvP system that is, in it's entirety so carebear that hardcore PvP players left long ago.

Once upon a time, in Rappelz, if you lost a fight in PvP, you could drop your gear. I wonder, how long would you play that system? On the servers where you could PvP w/out losing your gear, it took damage, and needed to be repaired. I wonder, how long would you play that system? In Aion, where they had massive PvP battles for fortresses, when you could get enough Asmodians to show up on 5 of the then 6 servers, if you lost, you were locked out of content. I wonder, how long would you play that system? I played it for 5 years, from the second closed beta.

You see, it's not a dislike of PvP, it's a dislike of irrelevant PvP. It has absolutely no affect on the main game, at all. The rewards are epeen, and PvE stuff like mounts, wooo, if only I couldn't get mounts any other way, PvP would be so worth my time. Again, I have, on a couple of different occasions, made actual suggestions on how to improve PvP to make it relevant that didn't require special consideration for PvPers, but, because they don't include treating you like snowflakes, they're overlooked, or don't exist. Giving UCs at level 10 doesn't improve PvP, it's a lure to try to attract PvE players into playing, so you can get faster queues. It does nothing to make it relevant, just "treat us like we're special".

Uh, just because I'm quoting you about a point doesn't mean the response was mean just for you... Don't take me so personally. This was my general banter about apparent "panic" that merges cause and unrealistic expectations different users may have from such events- and what solution would have been ideal but may or may not have been achievable. Responding to something discussed in a group is usually meant for the group rather than whoever brought it up. Unless I was using a large amount of "you" references..? Sorry I guess?

Heh, the biggest fuss I had with the last merger was "OMG, what did they do to my cargo holds", AHHHHH! I lost one name, to myself...

I've said nothing about server merges, I wouldn't enjoy pvp in any of those examples you mentioned, and you liking certain kind of pvp does not make you better than me, who likes different kind of pvp.

That's the point, though: I think it's irrelevant, because it is. It has no effect on the main game, to the point that it might as well be an addon, whereas, if they'd done anything similar to the suggestions I've made, both earlier in this thread, and a considerable amount of time back, they could have made PvP and Conquest both mean something. I'll note here that I didn't play on the hardcore PvP server in Rappelz, because the grind was so mind numbingly boring that I tended to zone out, and that could have cost me whatever gear I was using, but I did PvP on the main servers.

I've had to repair gear, and pets after they changed those up before I could use them for PvE. This was OW PvP too, only someone had to be flagged for it. It didn't have to be both parties eithers, so you could be up against a group that wasn't flagged with a healer on your team that's not flagged, and the other team couldn't attack your healer, unless they flagged up to do it. But the weekend dungeon sieges meant something: the winning guild could set the percentage of drops they got from everyone that ran it, and could collect the rewards from a special NPC. Profits, and every alliance I'd been in paid you if you showed up for the Time Attacks and/or the actual siege, assuming we won, anyway. Lots of risk for potentially no reward.

The same was true in Aion with the abyss fortresses at launch, and the later end game areas that could be sieged as well. If your faction won, there was a dungeon in the fortress you could run. I played for 4.5 years or so before I saw the inside of one of those dungeons, because we were constantly outnumbered by the Elyos, at the end of the time where I played regularly, we were outnumbered 10-1, easily.

So yeah, I like my PvP to mean something. That doesn't mean, despite what I've read on these forums, that I hate PvP in general, just that I don't have any use for it here, as it's implemented. By all means run those instanced duels with PvE rewards, just don't try to convince me that it's somehow relevant, or hardcore, or even remotely meaningful to the game. If you're having fun, more power to you, but it's not what I'm looking for as far as PvP is concerned.

Coming from the poster who always trashes the PvP community every chance they get. Hypocrisy at its finest. This is why no one on this forum takes you seriously.

This game was developed as an MMORPG. You see the MMO part? The whole point is for a buttload of players to be online together simultaneously to participate in content whether it's PvP, PvE or RP.

Don't get it twisted. PvP as a play style was not any source of die-off for the servers in this game. Neither was PvE or RP. The die-offs were due to many things such as lack of endgame content, bugs that took months or years to fix (I bet some launch bugs are still in swtor), ability delay, rubber banding, and the decision to option up a whole bunch of servers to deal with queues, only to then have a massive amounts of ghost town serves due to the devs' naivete.

Again, playing fast and loose with the truth.

Remember all those servers they opened up to deal with the ques due to launch hype? Yes, some were PvP, but others were RP and many were mainly PvE. Servers of ALL archetypes died off, not just PvP first as you so try to twist it in your attempt to discredit the PvP play style and bash PvP'ers every chance you get for being oh so toxic.

Fast and loose again.

The Fatman was basically The Harbinger but for PvP'ers mainly. The Fatman did have quite a healthy PvE population, though

It was not only PvP'ers conglomerating to The Fatman, either. It was dead server refugees switching there when all those new servers of all archetypes that were opened up after launch had died. In fact, there was even a guild on The Fatman called <Dead Server Refugees>.

The reason The Fatman did not fair well in the end is because, once all those dead servers were going to be merged, people saw a reason to go back to the characters they started with. The server was simply a focal point for the players of dead servers, essentially the characters they made there simply alts until they could go back to the original characters they started with.

I agree, I didn't care for how things were done at all. I think they could've taken more care to give people a choice where to go based on how they like to play, but then in a few months, it would likely happen, what has historically happened, that the pvp type server would probably be empty and those that remained would be unhappy because they have no one to fight.

You remember correctly, there were quite a few people that were put off about being put somewhere that didn't jive with the way they like to play. Putting rpers together with pvpers is like throwing goldfish in with piranhas. There was evidence of that the way the rpers were first harrassed on SF. There would be people screaming in general that this was the pvp server and to get lost. They even went on the forums screaming that X server is the pvp one and all others should kindly ____ the hell off.

And yeah, I think it would go a long way to make things right if they put out a west coast server again and include the APACs there, so that people on that side of the world can actually enjoy competitive play.