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Feedback: Rishi Stronghold (Final PTS)

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Feedback: Rishi Stronghold (Final PTS)
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NikiTesla
07.20.2018 , 05:47 PM | #31
I'd be okay with a delayed release in order to add a full blown house.

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Lunafox
07.20.2018 , 06:08 PM | #32
Quote: Originally Posted by CharlesBoyd View Post
Hey folks!

First off, I want to thank you all for your feedback throughout the PTS cycle! Although we won't be able to address every point of feedback, your input has significantly improved the quality of this update, and we look forward to repeating the process for more of our releases in the coming months.

A key piece of feedback we've definitely seen and investigated is the addition of a "house" or "cantina" type of building to the stronghold; unfortunately, that just isn't something we can feasibly add to the stronghold at this point. I know this may seem like a simple request, but it would actually require significant development and testing time to implement at quality. That said, we are taking this particular piece of feedback to heart and will make sure that future strongholds include those types of spaces where it makes sense.

I also want to clarify that although this is the last build we have planned for PTS, it does not represent the final build that will be going live as update 5.9.2. Additional fixes and changes that are not in the final PTS patch notes will be included in the full update, such as the PvP toggle. The comprehensive patch notes for 5.9.2 will be released a bit closer to the update going live, which is still planned for July 31.
First off, thank you for the answer, I do appreciate it. I suppose, what I can take away from this is that we're wasting our time asking for a proper housing structure for Rishi. I really don't understand why you would choose to omit a home for people to decorate. The Rishi SH is one that people have asked for, for years, myself included and never once did any of us imagine in our wildest dreams that you guys would go with the slummiest of slums when there are so many nice locales and attractive structures.

Does this mean you will make another Rishi for decorators? At this point, if you're declining us, then keep Rakata Prime in mind and for the love of god, it has to be beachy with oceans and lovely plants and a great house.

I really don't understand why you would forget your decorators. We spend money, we promote and post our creations on a variety of social media and websites, all of which is free advertising for the game. We show the joy we get out of playing with the strongholds and yet you choose to cater to a demographic, that to my knowledge has never once requested a 'pvp centric stronghold'. I'm very disappointed and honestly, there isn't anything for me to do in the game during the content drought. No story, no proper stronghold...what incentive do I have to remain?
Well, I guess this is it, your Highnessness. So long!

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Jerba
07.20.2018 , 06:11 PM | #33
After checking out the new patch on the PTS:

Unfortunately, it appears that most bugs from the first PTS patch, that were fixed with the second PTS patch, are now back in. Please check my posts in the bug reports thread for details.
Most notably, you are no longer flagged for PvP when entering a PvP area of the stronghold. In other words: PvP is impossible in this stronghold. This must be treated as a blocker bug.

It looks like the buttons to use the training dummy and to start PvP are now restricted to bronze keys. While this may be fine for personal strongholds, it is wrong for guild strongholds. Many guilds have a Friends&Family or conquest rank, where they invite players without a long background check. These players all have a bronze key by default, and will be able to disrupt any guild event.
Please ensure that for guild strongholds, all buttons require a silver key, if not even a gold key. If you can't separate it between personal and guild strongholds, have the buttons require a silver key.

I'm not too sure how the terminals to change the spawn position are supposed to work. Right now, they only appear to work in personal strongholds, not in guild strongholds, and they only work the stronghold owner. Any visitors to the stronghold will still spawn at the entrance. Shouldn't the setting apply to anyone, not just the stronghold owner?
And also, please allow players with golden keys to set the bind point for guild strongholds.
Ideally, you'd also ensure that if you /stuck or return to medcenter, you also return to the bind point and not always the starting area.

Clickable objects no longer glow blue. This was fixed with the second patch, but is now bugged again. For new players, it is very hard to notice these objects, e.g. the speeders, unless they glow blue. Please ensure that it is fixed again when the patch hits the live servers.

My previous feedback on hooks was ignored, so to reiterate:
Quote: Originally Posted by Jerba View Post
  • For example, here on the beach there are large gaps between the large hooks. Please add 2-3 more large hooks and ensure that all large hooks are flush together. That way, you can build one huge scene and not just 2-3 spots spread around.
  • Thanks for adding the centerpiece hook next to the small island, but why put in a centerpiece hook? Please change it into a starship hook (that can still be broken down into centerpiece hooks). There are more than enough starship decorations after all, let us place them down somewhere! Maybe even add two more starship hooks somewhere in the distance (even if we can't get there ourselves).

On the positive side, I like the new cinematic that was added when clicking on a cannon. And I like the new elevator to take you up on top of the canopy.
And I really like the new walkway that was added to avoid the small PvP area. In my opinion, this concern is therefore satisfied; there is no more need to add a way to turn off all PvP features.

Finally, since there is no longer a PvP feedback thread, please also look at the bug where the class icon colors of the Consulars/Inquisitors are swapped (bug report). This is super annoying for cross-faction queueing and should be fixed ASAP.
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Lowarro
07.20.2018 , 06:23 PM | #34
I like the changes to add the bridge to the beach spawn point and the ability to change spawn points (I found 4: beach, cove, main deck, sky deck). I also liked the cutscene return to beach, fixed speeder bike on the sky deck and elevator to the awning on the sky deck. However the view from the awning helped me notice a floating platform piece: https://imgur.com/a/pEIVbSF

I'm a little disappointed the pvp toggle didn't make the PTS, but am glad to here it will make the final patch.

One new concern I have regarding the spawn point system is whether or not visitors without keys can use them (hopefully not but haven't had a chance to test this yet.)
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Jerba
07.20.2018 , 06:26 PM | #35
From the patch notes:
Quote: Originally Posted by EricMusco View Post
Using the Skydeck elevator will now play a transition cinematic.
I didn't see a cinematic when using the elevator to the skydeck. Is this patch note meant to refer to the cannons to return to the surface, or is there supposed to be another new cinematic?
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IoNonSoEVero
07.20.2018 , 06:39 PM | #36
Hi Charles,

Thank you for the update and communication in this thread.

First, thank you for recognizing that ways to get around the PvP area and different bind points were wanted and for incorporating those requests.

Second, thank you for mentioning that the PvP toggle WILL be in the final release.

Lastly, I am sure there are some decorators who will enjoy creating something great for themselves in the Rishi stronghold. I'm also sure that many PvPers will enjoy it. But I'm still disappointed in the stronghold because of the lack of buildings and the choice of the area of Rishi that was used. People requested this stronghold for years and I don't think this is what many people had in mind.

My plan right now, since there will be a PvP toggle, is to buy the initial unlock, buy the ship, make a spawn point in the ship and never look at anything on the ground again.

But I feel as though I wasted my money extending my subscription for...this. I also hope that future strongholds will be more thoughtfully designed for the enjoyment of all.

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JediBoadicea
07.20.2018 , 06:45 PM | #37
I'm going to abandon my usual wordiness (at least by 75% ) and cut straight to the chase in this post about hook placement. (I'll give other thoughts in a separate post, because my hope is this one can be forwarded in its entirety to the design team.)

I went into the issues with the hooks extensively in previous posts, but while in those posts I called out some fixes that were less impactful than others, this time I've trimmed the fat and I'm focusing only on the most vitally needed and egregiously overlooked issues that remain after today's PTS patch. Although I am formatting this in a manner similar to my previous posts, some of the content is new.

Please address these, they are significantly more negatively impactful to your decorators than might be apparent to someone who doesn't actively decorate.

Team PVP Area - Viewing Platform

This area has been called out as needing hook changes by almost every person who has commented on the hooks in the feedback thread, and it's still unchanged.

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Staging Room

Another area called out by many people, and it's still unchanged.

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Sun Room & Hillside Room

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Hideout Exterior Upper Level

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Beach Area (and Approach to Beach Area)

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Islands and Open Water

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Patrol Carrier - Escape Pods

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Patrol Carrier - Awning

First off, thank you for this neat addition! It will help both for decorating an area for spectators and for actually spectating a match in progress. It cries out for a quick revision, though:

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As a final suggestion, it appears that none of the feedback I've seen provided about the hook options in the Sky Deck Arena has as of yet been taken into account. I provided some here, and other people have provided their own too. One of the most critical things that has been called out by multiple people is needing hooks that allow us to completely block access to the ground floor ramps leading up to the scoring area. All of the other suggestions are valid and pertinent, but this one about blocking the ramps is actually critical to making the arena functional for PVP. Without these hooks, all it takes is one Force Speed + plus one stun breaker to score. This does not make for playable matches.

So, those are the hook changes that I feel are still vitally needed. There are many others that, ideally, I would love to see, but with the release so close I think it's more important to focus on the truly game-breaking ones.

After seeing the hooks that you added to this patch I think I begin to better understand how the geometry of a room affects your ability to place hooks. We asked for wall hooks in the cabins and bridge on the Carrier, and when I see how they were added it appears you were forced to add hooks only in the spaces that provided flat planes. If that's a coding limitation then it's unfortunate but I understand, and I think the lesson for the design team should be that built-in assets need to be designed with the ability for maximum hook versatility and coverage in mind. If, however, the placement of these new Smalls (and the absence of Larges) is just arbitrary then it is absolutely TERRIBLE and all of those hooks should be converted to Mediums or Larges immediately.

As regards other changes, thank you for the Large hooks in the corridors of the carrier, and thank you as mentioned above for the hooks on the awning (though also as mentioned above they do need a change).

I still feel that your team responsible for laying hooks needs to do a pass of the full stronghold, and anywhere they see an arbitrarily enforced/stand-alone Narrow or Small hook where a Medium or a Large would fit they should immediately change it to a Medium or Large instead. Number one rule of hook placement should always, always be: place the largest hook possible that will fit in a given space provided that hook comes with the option to break it down into smaller hooks.

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Elssha
07.20.2018 , 06:58 PM | #38
Some things I (and someone else) noticed while playing around in the SH;

PvE/general stuff;
  • The training dummy is very quick to reset; with the added temp ability there should be more time given (or only have it reset/despawn on ability or lack of health), especially since some classes use stealth rationally
  • The lift on the sky deck (while cool) is very awkwardly placed. There is a central vertical support beam that should be used for the lift location, instead of the side where it looks very out of place (can also hide the backbone, making it less obviously a DK lift )
  • The spawn terminals (to set default location) only work for the owner; friends still spawn at dock, as do guildies. This makes them less useful or even confusing for others... vs a great way to get people directly to the arena/huttball area or quickly show people stuff on the training dummy. The owner/gold key holder should set default universally
  • Could also make it so you can change it from the SH window, in case of inviting a group to a specific event (minor comment)
  • The spawn terminals should double as QT spots
  • Treasure Chest still missing


PvP Stuff;
  • The arena no-longer auto-flags you, even when you lock it, we had to request a duel to fight each other
  • can once again mount up when carrying the huttball
  • Anyone with a bronze key can use all controls, even terminate games in progress from the outside... even on the guild version. This means any guildy can troll guild event like tournaments (or accidentally ruin them) with a simple click - the PvP controls should be reserved for silver key holders, or only the person that initiated the fight when a fight's in progress (temp ability pops up that ends it? Only given to the one that started it?)
  • Leaving the viewing probe via the ability turns off my sprint, every time

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NikSunrider
07.20.2018 , 07:30 PM | #39
This might have been reported before, however it is impossible to access the awning elevator as the viewing probe - you clip right through it.

Additionally - it is impossible to use operative roll while on the ramps / arena decoration.
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JediBoadicea
07.20.2018 , 07:45 PM | #40
I want to thank you again for opening the PTS for feedback. I really do think it's already made a positive difference for the stronghold, and I think it will have a positive knock-on effect for the next one.

Here are some of the chief concerns I continue to have. I'm leaving the "would be nice" ones for a footnote at the end and for this main list really cutting straight to those that give me nightmares. All of these are extremely important.

1. You absolutely must address the issue of the cap on strongholds. This has come up with every single stronghold released since the first batch, and it will continue to come up every time. It's vital that you not arbitrarily cap players, when the server merge proved the game can support players having up to 35 strongholds. Here's a suggestion for a CM-purchasable stronghold slot unlock. If an ability to purchase additional slots isn't provided (or the cap isn't simply raised right up to 35 or more) I know I will end up being one of those players who cannot in fact gain access to the Rishi stronghold, and I would be very sad if that happens.

2. You need to find a way to let guilds have more than one ground stronghold. Currently they are limited to one. The Rishi stronghold is ideal for guilds. But if you force guilds to have to choose between sacrificing a stronghold they've already lovingly built up and getting a new one, I promise some guilds won't make the sacrifice, and your newly designed game feature will go unused. That's a loss for absolutely everyone.

3. You need to address some of the remaining issues with hook placement in Rishi. In this post I called out the ones I feel are still very important after today's update.

4. You need to increase the X/Y axes for decoration placement from 20 to 40. Especially with many of the issues that will not be able to be addressed with the hooks before the SH release, this is very important. Your SH player base has been crying out for this for a very, very long time. Currently it is not possible to get many large decos (requiring a Large hook) to sit flush against a wall or against any other deco. This has an enormously negative and frustrating impact on decorating. It is completely needless to be frustrating your players this way if an adjustment to the axes is all that is required to fix it. If this adjustment isn't possible, please tell us so.

5. You need to make sure that among the changes you are making to the Stronghold Management window you fix the current inability to scroll through the list of character names, if that list goes further down than the visible window space. (This happens if you have a lot of characters, or if the stronghold is at the bottom of the window.)

6. This is a suggestion more than an imperative (I feel that at least items 1-4 through above are indeed imperative). While I personally don't have an issue with the lack of a "house" space for the Rishi SH, even I think it would be really nice to have one, and I can't help but imagine that you could still achieve this if you were to add another phased instance like the Patrol Carrier accessible through a terminal. I totally understand that it actually isn't easy to add design assets to a region that has already been visually coded out to completion, and that it's probably not just a copy/paste job (most likely because the logic behind how a PVE environment space is coded may be different from how the SH space is coded). But an isolated, phased, terminal-accessible add-on to the SH could be added on after release as an expansion. If you were to make an announcement that this was coming here and in the patch notes, people would know it was on the horizon. The consensus from everyone wanting an additional cantina/house space for Rishi has been that folks would be happy to wait if it meant getting this, and adding it as an expansion would mean that you both meet your initial release and satisfy the folks who were willing to wait.

So, with those important concerns out of the way, here are some "these would be super nice" things to call out (all stronghold related, though granted not all specifically Rishi related):
  • Please add the Grade 8, 9, and 10 crafting mats as utility decorations. Utility decorations are some of the most frequently used by your decorators, and it's now been three and a half years since the Grade 8 mats hit the game. Don't you think that indicates it is way, way past time for a decos update?
  • Please give some thought to making some adjustments to the hook assignments for the upcoming Martial decorations. Here are some suggestions.
  • Please consider increasing the number of keys we can hold. If this is somehow game-breaking that's fine, but if it's just another arbitrary cap then it's pointless, and I know that for sure at least your decorators and RPers are frequently hitting the issue of keyring caps.
  • In one of the previous game patches some personnel decos appeared in the decos UI that were incorrectly labeled as belonging to the Deepwater Essentials Bundle. These decos were removed from the UI with a later patch. They were all military-themed personnel decos from both factions, and they were wonderful. We badly need more personnel decos like this, and I strongly encourage you to release these as an upcoming personnel decos bundle.
  • Please revisit the Starship hooks in the following locations, because these specific Starship hooks are bugged exceptions that cannot be broken down into other layouts and they really need to be:
    • Tatooine SH - the external (not in the hangar) starship hook
    • Yavin SH - the rear starship hook on the grounds (by the sentry tower)
    • Imperial Guild Flagship - neither of the starship hooks in the hangar bays can be broken down (compared to the Republic side ship where both can).