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Asmodesu
06.15.2018 , 06:49 AM | #5291
Aye, seeing as we're talking about a spirit-being that has his mind and thoughts spread through hundreds of people at a time. Just yeah, he destroys the hosts psyche for the Voice/Voices and it is possible when he's all there, full attention rather then side thoughts, that he's much colder. And could likely jump between the Host bodies whenever, the connection was there for hundreds of years and he goes silent in the Sith Empire completely when his full attention is on Zakuul. That to me says that "Vitiate" was the side-host, and Valkorion was the true one with the PC as a replacement when they kill that host.
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Goreshaga
06.15.2018 , 07:52 AM | #5292
Valkorion says that he was different on Zakuul than what he was as Vitiate.
Maybe with Senya he was just experimenting things, in some ways he's kind of like us players who try every aspects of the game that we can try out.

But as Asmodesu said, I think Valkorion was his main host, and that he turned his attention back to the Sith Empire at times, like renewing the war against the Republic, and then for the Treaty of Coruscant.
Then comes the JK and his attention is drawn back to the Sith Empire because, there is a threat to him there.

I have the feeling that he was preparing the second ritual when he became aware of the JK's existence, and then set up a trap for them, maybe he was just curious or he had other motives, which turns his attention away from the ritual, but then, the JK escapes, so he goes back to his original plan. I guess his Voss Voice got trapped on Voss either shortly before of after the JK's ran away with Scourge (i'd say shortly before, maybe weakening his hold on their mind, which helped them break free).

Another though, did Vaylin come back from Nathema before or after he was defeated on Dromund Kaas ?
It's damn hard to place an age on Valkorion's children...

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Iheaca
06.15.2018 , 08:32 AM | #5293
I admit that I have not gone through JK's story as much as I have on the sith side, even though I have mostly finished it now.

And for Valkorion, well, I took one theory, it does not need to be right and it does not need to be shared as long as it does not bother too much.

It is possible that the way things work between Valkorion and Vititate are the same than with Vitiate and the PC. In the very last chapter, PC are trapped in their own mind. Vitiate has the lead but has not made the PC totally disappear. He is by the way not totally aware of it. If I remember well, the voice says that Vitiate thinks that the PC is gone for good. What if it was the same with Valkorion?
It is not clear why Vititate does not take full hold on the PC earlier than that. He could probably have fake being the PC, and might not even have needed the Alliance to defeat his kids and retake the throne. The only thing that I can think about is that he needs to "prepare" the PC for him to take full hold. Does he need some agreement? Perhaps it would help. Does he need at least to strengthen his hold first? Perhaps as well. He might not have been fully ready to take another body the way he took the PC.
So, if it was the case and Valkorion remained there, he might have had more hold when Vitiate is busy elsewhere.

Again, just a theory that works for me better than the one provided initially.

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Another though, did Vaylin come back from Nathema before or after he was defeated on Dromund Kaas ?
It's damn hard to place an age on Valkorion's children...
Are you referring to the JK's story? It really depends on how old she is supposed to be... I see her coming back right before the twins go to war, but it could as well be slightly earlier. The Emperor being defeated on Dromund Kaas happens max in 14-15 ATC I guess. Or even 13 ATC because that is when the Rise of the Hutt Cartel expansion is supposed to start.
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Goreshaga
06.15.2018 , 11:25 AM | #5294
Quote: Originally Posted by Iheaca View Post
I admit that I have not gone through JK's story as much as I have on the sith side, even though I have mostly finished it now.

And for Valkorion, well, I took one theory, it does not need to be right and it does not need to be shared as long as it does not bother too much.

It is possible that the way things work between Valkorion and Vititate are the same than with Vitiate and the PC. In the very last chapter, PC are trapped in their own mind. Vitiate has the lead but has not made the PC totally disappear. He is by the way not totally aware of it. If I remember well, the voice says that Vitiate thinks that the PC is gone for good. What if it was the same with Valkorion?
It is not clear why Vititate does not take full hold on the PC earlier than that. He could probably have fake being the PC, and might not even have needed the Alliance to defeat his kids and retake the throne. The only thing that I can think about is that he needs to "prepare" the PC for him to take full hold. Does he need some agreement? Perhaps it would help. Does he need at least to strengthen his hold first? Perhaps as well. He might not have been fully ready to take another body the way he took the PC.
So, if it was the case and Valkorion remained there, he might have had more hold when Vitiate is busy elsewhere.

Again, just a theory that works for me better than the one provided initially.



Are you referring to the JK's story? It really depends on how old she is supposed to be... I see her coming back right before the twins go to war, but it could as well be slightly earlier. The Emperor being defeated on Dromund Kaas happens max in 14-15 ATC I guess. Or even 13 ATC because that is when the Rise of the Hutt Cartel expansion is supposed to start.
I never said it was not a valid theory, (i quite like it actually, but i'm not sure it'd work for me) i'm just trying to work thing out so that i'll have something coherent for my own story in the end ^^

Valkorion seemed surprised that the Outlander survived, so i guess it never happened before, but thats also just a theory.
I'd say that he was too weak to be able to take over the Outlander's body, that's probably why he just proposed to lend his powers at the begining and I guess, the more you refuse, the harder for him to get an edge over you, hence why he needs to find a way to weaken you.

Well, Wookiepedia says that after his defeat to the JK his hold on her was weakened and that afterward she bid her time waiting to take him down (seems like it comes from an IG codex entry), so that'd mean that she came back from Nathema at least some time before Vitiate's defeat, which would be in 3641 BBY / 12 ATC. At the time, she already has a grown up look, so that'd make her at the very least something like 15-18, and place her birth somewhere around 3656 to 3659, so, a few years prior to the Treaty of Coruscant. That could probably place Arcann and Thexan's birth somewhere between 3660 and 3664 BBY.

Arf, this is confusing

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Asmodesu
06.15.2018 , 04:49 PM | #5295
I'm used to being the odd one out when it comes to perceptions and chosen theories, especially in regards to specific characters. Seems the way I've always viewed Theron is the super unpopular personality/guy.
Ah well. But yeah, not saying any theory is valid or not, I was trying to stick to what I (and I alone it seems- as per usual) saw in the story in-game, which was when he finally got control the pc's psyche/consciousness was shattered.. they were not there anymore (or weren't meant to be, that is why the PC assumed Valkorion's form in their mind.. to "survive"). The reason he was alongside the PC after chapter 2 was because his first attempt to use the PC as a host failed since the PC resisted as Valkorion put it.

Even with that, doesn't matter how others want to change it for fic obviously . That's just how I interpreted the storyline with Valky/PC from the dialogue.
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Iheaca
06.16.2018 , 05:31 AM | #5296
Quote: Originally Posted by Asmodesu View Post
I'm used to being the odd one out when it comes to perceptions and chosen theories, especially in regards to specific characters. Seems the way I've always viewed Theron is the super unpopular personality/guy.
Ah well. But yeah, not saying any theory is valid or not, I was trying to stick to what I (and I alone it seems- as per usual) saw in the story in-game, which was when he finally got control the pc's psyche/consciousness was shattered.. they were not there anymore (or weren't meant to be, that is why the PC assumed Valkorion's form in their mind.. to "survive"). The reason he was alongside the PC after chapter 2 was because his first attempt to use the PC as a host failed since the PC resisted as Valkorion put it.

Even with that, doesn't matter how others want to change it for fic obviously . That's just how I interpreted the storyline with Valky/PC from the dialogue.
What is your theory about Theron that is so unpopular?

Regarding the fact that Vitiate destroys the host, it is not that incompatible with a theory saying the opposite in fact. All is a question of timing. I find totally credible that Valkorion is not there at all from the time the Emperor comes back from Yavin 4 and decide that he is his one and only host. But maybe he can still be there as long as Vitiate is still present on Zakkul and in the Empire at the same time. It would even actually be safer to have it this way I believe, as a host that becomes too inactive might lose a position of power.

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Well, Wookiepedia says that after his defeat to the JK his hold on her was weakened and that afterward she bid her time waiting to take him down (seems like it comes from an IG codex entry), so that'd mean that she came back from Nathema at least some time before Vitiate's defeat, which would be in 3641 BBY / 12 ATC. At the time, she already has a grown up look, so that'd make her at the very least something like 15-18, and place her birth somewhere around 3656 to 3659, so, a few years prior to the Treaty of Coruscant. That could probably place Arcann and Thexan's birth somewhere between 3660 and 3664 BBY.
Ah, I notice that I had not read Vaylin's page before... Yes, there are many informations there that are interesting but as well confusing I believe. I found the codex entry about Vaylin and it says that with the Emperor emprisoned on Yavin, Vaylin was allowed to see the extend of her power. But nothing says that she is back on Zakuul at that time already. And that part on Yavin 4 is between 15-16 ATC, right? However, if she is having some time to get more connected to Arcann before Valkorion's death, it would mean she comes back earlier than just before the twins leave for war, obviously.
The twins being born between 3660 and 3664 work for me, I set 3661.
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Asmodesu
06.16.2018 , 05:35 AM | #5297
Quote: Originally Posted by Iheaca View Post
What is your theory about Theron that is so unpopular?
Not a theory, just how from all the media and game stuff how I see his personality and him as a person seems to be unpopular *shrugs*. I don't see him as some alcoholic sleep with everyone type of spy for example, lol. But I've been over that enough in other threads. I have given up trying to discuss Theron on these forums.

I'm confused how "he destroys the host's conscious self" is compatible with "the host's conscious self is still there" . I didn't read your story though so am discussing blind here lol. I'll bow out.

My main huge change up away from 'canon' story will be with Jaesa LS, she's taken far far too long to return when she should be able to sense my warrior around by now.
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Iheaca
06.16.2018 , 05:52 AM | #5298
Quote: Originally Posted by Asmodesu View Post
Not a theory, just how from all the media and game stuff how I see his personality and him as a person seems to be unpopular *shrugs*. I don't see him as some alcoholic sleep with everyone type of spy for example, lol. But I've been over that enough in other threads. I have given up trying to discuss Theron on these forums.
Hu? Well, I'd not see Theron like this neither.

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I'm confused how "he destroys the host's conscious self" is compatible with "the host's conscious self is still there" . I didn't read your story though so am discussing blind here lol. I'll bow out.
No need to read the story, it wouldn't be there anyway. I just meant that he might not do it immediately. He could have decided to destroy Valkorion totally only from the moment he wants him as his permanent and only body. Which would mean in any case after Yavin 4.
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My main huge change up away from 'canon' story will be with Jaesa LS, she's taken far far too long to return when she should be able to sense my warrior around by now.
Sticking to the story totally is quite hard anyway.
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Goreshaga
06.16.2018 , 05:59 AM | #5299
Quote: Originally Posted by Asmodesu View Post
Not a theory, just how from all the media and game stuff how I see his personality and him as a person seems to be unpopular *shrugs*. I don't see him as some alcoholic sleep with everyone type of spy for example, lol. But I've been over that enough in other threads. I have given up trying to discuss Theron on these forums.
I don't see him like that either.
To me appears to be the workaholic, who don't really stick with other people that much and is more of a loner.
He probably had short term relationships occasionnaly, but not much more than that and i don't think he's the sleep with everyone type.

I think i'll set Arcann and Thexan's birt somehere in 3663 BBY, as I have Naeya's birth in 3662. Them being born during the previous year, would probably take Tenebrae attention back to Valkorion, and give Naeya's mother the opportunity to run away with a still unborn child, which could explain that Vitiate doesn't know.

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Asmodesu
06.16.2018 , 06:17 AM | #5300
Quote: Originally Posted by Iheaca View Post
No need to read the story, it wouldn't be there anyway. I just meant that he might not do it immediately. He could have decided to destroy Valkorion totally only from the moment he wants him as his permanent and only body. Which would mean in any case after Yavin 4.
Ah yeah, I understand more with that xD Though I'd personally prefer Tenebrae being the only consciousness there when the relationship with Senya starts, for her sake anyway O.o
hehe

and heh, it seemed I've been outnumbered for years on the Theron thing though lol.
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