Scoundrels/Operatives ridculously OP.

Oh and Operatives / Scoundrels dont have any shields. So what you talking about Mo?

28 pages of whining about the most underplayed class in the game.....Really?
Get some gear learn to play and get over it. This reminds me of warhammer and the witch eleves. Peeps complained about them mythic nerfed them into oblivion and guess what the casters took over the game cause there was no dps to stop em. One month later the game went in the toilet.

With Jugg/Guard with a shield, stuns, and huge amount of HP

With Jedi Shadow/Assassin built with a shield and HP, stuns, CC

With Sage/Inq bubble+heals+ force sprint +CC

With BH/Tropper with bleeds, CC , Heavy Armer, Bubble, heals , shield


Now you want to take away burst from OP/Smug, cause you think its unfait to deal with all the other classes counter?

You sir are a joke, and anyone CRYING about the burst needs to learn skills to deal with a rogue type class.

I repeat people need to learn how to deal with a rogue type class.


I repeat people need to learn how to deal with a rogue type class.


I repeat people need to learn how to deal with a rogue type class.


I repeat people need to learn how to deal with a rogue type class.


I repeat people need to learn how to deal with a rogue type class.

I repeat people need to learn how to deal with a rogue type class.

I repeat people need to learn how to deal with a rogue type class........






ps. People need to learn how to deal with a rogue type class.

What's that supposed to prove? That you suck at scoundrel?


battle log does not lie, if im in soresu form (dmg reduction) and I still see 4k+ hits by some bloody operative that i cant even Force Leap to behind his shield (no myth, the way it is) it means them operative do the damage, there's no talking me out of it and calling names, and if there's this thread its cause others have seen their "fly text" as well, you think posting some video of you sucking balls at it makes an argument? oh dear


edit: and ofc by "shield" i mean your energy field, thought you'd have brain enough to figure that out, but that's an operative kiddie for you eheh

btw yes most underplayed classes, until people get tired of being 3 shotted and roll one too

This ^.

If ranged counters the warrior classes (they do and hard), something has to counter them. If not? PvP is broken.

Before you even touch stealth (and the burst on shadows/assassins is as big) think long and hard what you are about to do.

Until I see mass operatives/scoundrels and assassins/shadows like there are ranged in every warzone? What is the problem?

It takes a GOOD op/scoundrel to match a mediocre ranged class in warzone damage in this game (minus slinger/sniper as they are a bit harder to play). Op's/scoundrels can't match sages/sorc in offhealing.

So what is the problem? I will tell you the problem. People want a TEAM based, GROUP PVP game based around on vs ones with no tanks, no guard. They want to balance the game around that small little area that doesn't even exist in premade vs premade.

If Bioware/EA caters to the whiners when they KNOW they are wrong? GG. Anything but ranged dps will be pointless.

The funny thing is most of the time people have no idea that op's scoundrels are using trinket, adrenal, stacked with the warzone buff and that is why you are getting such huge crits. Cus you know it is really hard to see when that big red buff dissapears, or to camp it yourself...

All classes can do this and deliver big crits. Blame adrenal stacking, trinkets stacking and warzone buff stacking. Then again? There is a reason that buff is there, so you can do something you wouldn't normally be able to do. Aka fight a 2 on 1, that you would have no chance in hell of winning without that buff.

would just like to point out a few things playing concealment operative to all of those who claim this spec is OP and does to much damage

1/ evasion is a flawed ability which is borderline pointless. It is supposed to reduce all mele and ranged damage by 100% for 3 seconds yet I still get bombarded with dots and all kinds of damage because it doesnt protect against the abilities which 80% of people primarily use making our other ability cloaking screen a pointless escape mechanism when we are brought straight back out of stealth and destroyed

2/ we are medium armour and not very difficult to kill especially when some of our major defensive abilities are flawed

3/ to do a lot of damage we have to chain abilities which is easily interupted by cc's. also it is very difficult to put out a lot of damage when it only takes 1 of our stuns to make a player immune for a significant amount of time. To add to this tanks and healers are borderline impossible to kill

4/ we have 0 utility and easily knocked of platforms, pulled into acid pits and so forth making it pointless to try kill that person waiting to recieve a pass on the high up platform to score the point. You know that after aproximately 2 seconds of attacking him your going to get knocked off while he recieves the pass and sprints away

and I am not complaining here, nothing will ever get me to change my class/spec even though I consider it to be imbalanced atm but to those of you who claim concealment operative is OP really need to take a look at the facts

Replace scoundrels in your group setup with shadows and you get the same results. Of course, you'd also gain two 30m stuns, 2 kbs, and 4 detaunts. They may not burst as fast, but they will do damage much more consistently. Personally, I'd take one scoundrel, one shadow, but that's just me.

If you want to complain about burst damage, that's fine. Then again, people should start looking at other classes. Shadows hit like a truck out of stealth and bring much more utility to a group. Yet for some reason, it's the one trick pony class that needs nerfing.

For all you baddie Scoudrels/Operatives who think you are not op.

Step 1 - Get full pvp gear (400+ Expertise)
Step 2 - Hidden Strike target for 6.5k Crit or 4k Crit
Step 3 - Backstab twice for 3.5k Crit or 2k non crit
Step 4 - Stealth back and repeat

They trinket your stun? Just run around them backstabbing them to death, you outdps every class at that point/gear

You also have about 15-16k HP so the only ones who can really **** on you are other well geared lvl 50s

If you get 1v1 as an operative with 400 Expertise, reroll now, cause you suck.

Crying is irrelevant tho, the nerfbat will come, whatever all those bad WoW Challenger kids are saying about the class not being op, or all you butthurt people saying OMG SO OP

Until then, ill enjoy my 97.5% win ratio and farm my gear some more.

I didn't realize the amount of burst they had before today when there was a lvl 50 operative tearing the bg apart. He stunlocked me to death 5 times and I'm a lvl 43 gunslinger. It was more funny than annoying.

So... you're saying we should wait 9 seconds in between attacks? 'cause Backstab and Backblast have a 9 second cooldown. I dunno, I think it would be better to keep hitting the guy until he's dead but... yeah, that works too I guess.