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Level 50's are Killing pvp

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Level 50's are Killing pvp

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Dravinian
12.30.2011 , 04:52 PM | #251
Quote: Originally Posted by RJChief View Post
This is one of the most whining thread's i've come across. If you think at level 25 you should have a fair fight with a level 50... you're either dreaming or on drugs.
Then why put them in a Warzone together?

That doesn't make any sense.

If you put them in the same warzone then surely they shouldn't be there to be cannon fodder for level 50s?

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Wbuller
12.30.2011 , 05:05 PM | #252
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Originally Posted by Wbuller
MaximusNem - yet another one telling u to learn to play. What does it take to make u understand that killing someone with 6-8k less hp, hitting him 2k harder EVERY SINGLE HIT, isn't about skill?
Because that is how it is with a lvl 40 normal dude meets a lvl 50 pvp geared dude

You clearly aren't referring to warzones then.



Yes, I am referring to warzones. Honostly, I do not quite understand what u mean?
Ur saying that it's not possible to meet such ppl in a warzone as lvl 40?
Well, wake up. I've met such premades of four several times.
I'm 14k hp at lvl 40. They were 17-21k at lvl 50. My highest single hit was 3k, theirs were 6k.
My average dps was at it's top 180, theirs 380 (in cause someone says my dps sucks, I haven't seen a single person around my lvl hitting more than 210 dps)

And I'm not talking about some fresh 50's with blue gear, but 50's with 4 set bonuses with full epics and stuff - in a 4 man premade. Have met such teams several times. Even had the pleasure of being on the right side with such a premade. And as player posted earlier about 50's pvp geared premades; ''It's not a question of will we win, but how fast''

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Optiklown
12.30.2011 , 05:19 PM | #253
Im just tired of people saying we shouldnt pvp at lower levels and to level up if we dont like it. If thats the case why even unlock pvp at level 10?

Granted this is my first mmo and Im still learning, but its hard to learn when peoples response is to call you a noob instead of giving sound advice. Not everyone spent the last 10 years playing WOW. Games with a subscription were a luxory that until recently I just couldnt afford. Now I try to get into this game and when it comes to grouping or pvp people are just rude.

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Qeuzolt
12.30.2011 , 05:20 PM | #254
I agree that the system in its current state promotes pub stomping with high level characters way to much. It also seems that many of the early access servers are the people that are running into guilds or groups of people at level cap wrecking everyone else in PVP.

It seems like BW did make a mistake in the way they did their early access because people that want to take their time and enjoy the wonderfully voiced story but also want to dabble in pvp from time to time throughout the experience, and they play on an early access server are having issues doing so. That sucks, it is punishing people for paying in advance and playing the game like most of the devs hoped their customers would play it.

On the other hand there isn't an easy fix, sure they could take population numbers of lvl 50 players that are pvping on a specific server during all times of the day, figure out which ones are ready for a 50 only bracket and then implement the fix.

But that seems like an in ordinate amount of work when they can just wait a couple months at the most and everything will even out, the max lvl players will be there on all the realms and then put a bracket system in place.

But this is all assuming that there will be a bracket system ever. They could technically never do a bracket and just put that work into making a rated system with rewards for 50's only that would have enough incentive to pull most of the 50s out of the current pvp system. It would ensure that the current system would never really die off since all new players would be in the same system even some new lvl 50s trying to gear up for the rated matches, and there would also be a place for the 50's to go that would be a fairer fight.

This plan may piss off some people and maybe even loose some subs but if in the end they put a good enough system in place they will get their market share and hopefully continue tweak it. I think it sucks BW made a mistake in giving early access to some servers but I don't think they are going to keep those servers ahead of all the other servers because it would create to many logistical problems. Just chill out if your on a server that is full of 50s pve, make and alt, or just deal with it and qq on the forums, but understand I'm sure BW is kicking themselves for the mistake...
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Avatorius
12.30.2011 , 05:23 PM | #255
Like I said, just change the algorithm so that levels are relativly balanced on each opposing teams. Aka more or less the same amount of 50s, 40s, .. and level 10s... it ain't so hard, and as time goes there will just be more and more 50s in each time and less lowbies (though still a few). Then no brackets, no "awful" waiting time.

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so a "4-man 50 premade" will be more likely to end up against a "4-man 50 premade" too. Of course the debate between pug and premade is a whole other can of worms.
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Manigma
12.30.2011 , 05:25 PM | #256
Quote: Originally Posted by Optiklown View Post
Im just tired of people saying we shouldnt pvp at lower levels and to level up if we dont like it. If thats the case why even unlock pvp at level 10?

Granted this is my first mmo and Im still learning, but its hard to learn when peoples response is to call you a noob instead of giving sound advice. Not everyone spent the last 10 years playing WOW. Games with a subscription were a luxory that until recently I just couldnt afford. Now I try to get into this game and when it comes to grouping or pvp people are just rude.
The way it worked in WAR was fine, you had brackets of 10 levels each and there were plenty of people playing on the lower levels and higher to have a much more fair spread of players, I think the servers pop seems much smaller though in this game.

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FrieAaron
12.30.2011 , 05:28 PM | #257
10-40 and 40-50 seems like it would work pretty well, at least for now. I'm sure eventually there will be more than enough 50s to make it their own bracket.

Bolstering DOES help quite a bit when you're say a 23 fighting a 40, but as others have pointed out if you're fighting a level 50 that knows that he's doing, you have basically zero chance. The fact that it's POSSIBLE for a group of 20 and 30s can beat a team of 40s and 50s (and I've done it) is hardly proof that anything is fine.

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Pantheros
12.30.2011 , 05:29 PM | #258
itt: everyone but the op is a pro and tops scorebaords at level 10 erry' day.

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ZombieMeerkat
12.30.2011 , 06:16 PM | #259
Quote: Originally Posted by Wbuller View Post
Lol, I find ur reply quite funny. Talking about it's not supposed to be easy n stuff. And indeedm ur pretty damn right it's not - not easy for low lvl's vs pvp geared 50's.
But wait, how about the 50 pvp'ers? As hard as it is for low lvl's vs those, so damn much easier is it for them.

U honestly think I'm QQ'ing because I want an 'easy mode'? Plz read my posts again then.

(plz notice the keyword in my posts - 50 PVP'ERS. Those with the 50-75% hp advantage, with the 3k higher hit than ur highest hit advantage and those who can 2-3 shot one, - not fresh lvl 50's with average gear and hp's just like u)

And yes, ofc premades have an advantage. And of course should dedicated players have such an advantage - anyone can have that. I find nothing wrong with that.
But what u basicly are saying are that it is alright to give them a double advantage - an 'easy mode' one might say

As to ur video, I'm sure ur right. And that's cool. But as i might have noticed in my previous post, I 'QQ' about the huge advantege high lvl pvp geared ppl get.
I bet their odds would have been pretty damn different if they were up against 19k hp juggernaughts, 18k operatives etc etc. Ppl who -despite how well they work together - could 3 shot them.
You think they started the game at level 50? Nope. Most of them paid those dues, just like the rest of it.

You want that advantage? Earn it. Don't ask for it be spoonfed to you.

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Caeliux
12.30.2011 , 06:17 PM | #260
What a original thread, I have not seen a thread like this before.

Oh wait this might be the millionth one, never mind OP continue crying about how low levels get beat up since they won't shut up about it..