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Jdast
05.09.2018 , 10:56 AM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
Crafted gear is nearly as good as the Command Crate drops.. so they do have value and are routinely crafted and purchased in the player economy.

Separately.......
To the OP: keep in mind.. unless you can actually link information inside the game that proves what you reported (sorry somebody saying something in Discord is not something that qualifies in my view).. it is hard for the studio to actually take action. Why? Because at this point.. based on what you have presented.. this is your claim vs what is visible in his account logs... and unless you can help them narrow down when/how/how_much...... they really cannot act just on your claim alone.

Note: I am not saying the person who is claiming to violate the ToS/EULA by buying credits for real money is not doing so. I am simply stating that you claiming he did with no objective supporting in game information means you have not provided the studio with sufficient clues to actually take action. All you likely did was encourage them to flag the account for closer attention and review.. and unless he keeps buying credits.. it is unlikely they will have sufficient data to take action. I am in no way accusing you of fabricating, nor defending the alleged player action.....only that the studio has to be careful to act on sound data, not rumor or hearsay. How would you like it if Johnny reported one of your characters for allegedly claiming outside of the game that you broke the ToS/EULA, provided no actual verifiable evidence of such claim, and you got banned based on hearsay? Get some solid and objective evidence inside the game and then report it.
Fair points, and we have agreed a lot lately, but we will disagree on two points...

1) I SPENT 5 bucks on TREEK AND ALL SHE CAN DO IS CRAFT (Long memory )

2) I think set bonus benefits vary by class. For some, though, the set bonuses are pretty significant, though I get your broader point since it is armor only (thank you to Mubrak for pointing that out to me when I was newb).

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Andryah
05.09.2018 , 11:03 AM | #22
Quote: Originally Posted by Jdast View Post
1) I SPENT 5 bucks on TREEK AND ALL SHE CAN DO IS CRAFT (Long memory )
LOL.. not sure what you point is on this one.

Quote: Originally Posted by Jdast View Post
2) I think set bonus benefits vary by class. For some, though, the set bonuses are pretty significant, though I get your broader point since it is armor only (thank you to Mubrak for pointing that out to me when I was newb).
Set bonus does vary by class for sure... and player need/want as well. If you get a set bonus piece from a Command Crate, you certainly factor it into your gear immediately if it is of value to you personally. But until that point in time... you can avoid the grind and just equip with the best crafted gear (which anyone with sufficient resources can do immediately with top tier crafted gear) and wait for the gods of randomness to reward you later with a crate drop.

What we did in our guild was immediately ramp up the ability to craft... and some members would apply their old 4.x set bonus armor mods in some cases to get the set bonus while trading off some AF and stats... to get up and running effectively in short order. They let the set bonus stuff come as it comes. In other words.. rather than grind GC (which was much more painful at 5.0 then now).... the guild built an effective crafting engine to quickly equip all players and as new armor recipes and mod recipes dropped.. we continued to augment from there. This is precisely how we largely avoided the debacle of how GC released... and even today.. it serves well and few members bother to grind GC in any manner just for the crates.
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Lhancelot
05.09.2018 , 11:29 AM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by Jdast View Post
Outside of augments (and questionable left-side gear) I can't think of any end-game gear that is purchasable by credits.

What end-game gear is s/he purchasing?
I thought the same thing.

Exactly what items could you buy that would enable you to essentially win over others? Even people in full 248s aren't guaranteed wins so with that out of the equation of must-need-items what is needed?

I mean i guess it don't matter, dude shouldn't need to buy stuff is my point, but he is wrong for doing so. I just find this game one of the least gear-intensive games I ever played.

Also, there are no ultra rare, powerful twink items etc., which in most other games is why buying ingame monies is so common. Here, I can't really think of anything like that.
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kodrac
05.09.2018 , 12:22 PM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
LOL.. not sure what you point is on this one.
That's clearly P2W...
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Stellarcrusade
05.09.2018 , 12:25 PM | #25
Anything you can get for credits is not P2W. Augs are nice, but nothing compared to the 248 gear that you cannot get with credits.

Real life is P2W, good thing we have games to log in to and complain about huh?

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Adric_the_Red
05.09.2018 , 12:34 PM | #26
FWIW, BW have said in the past, tht when they track down & ban the credit sellers, they also ban the folks buying credits from them. Because if no one was buying, the sellers wouldn't be an issue.
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darthscotty
05.09.2018 , 12:40 PM | #27
Quote: Originally Posted by Frowardmink View Post
Well, that is kind of irrelevant. They could be buying basic medpacks and it would still be against EULA. The gear purchased certainly isn't BiS -- but it has a 246 item rating, placing it well above where the rest of my group is at.
So basically what happened is they bought credits and used it to buy crafted 246 gear. This is a long ways from pay to win because buying that gear is an option for all players with the very easily earned in game credits. Personally I would just report them and kick em out of the guild, most guilds do not tolerate having people who buy credits. And if a guild does have somebody who buys credits that person does not talk about it due to it being frowned on. My question is why is this person still in your guild? Why hasn't he or she been kicked?
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TUXs
05.09.2018 , 12:49 PM | #28
LOL! We're all lucky to have you here OP, policing your fellow players and telling on them if they do anything you disagree with. Good for you. Hopefully your friend sees your post and understands just how detrimental his purchase was to all of us...I mean, who does he think he is just buying credits that all of us have spent years trading over CM items? Who does he think he is, skipping the middleman (CM/EA) and going directly to just buying his riches without the RNG risk we've all endured to make our credits.

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Joonbeams
05.09.2018 , 12:54 PM | #29
This post is overkill. P2W means the studio benefits by selling various shortcuts, etc. to game content and whatnot. An "official" P2W would be selling the the end-game BiS gear on the CM. An "unofficial" P2W would be something like selling "RNG Mitigators" (don't get any ideas BW) that significantly improved your chances of being on the right side of RNG from crates. Some have even argued that selling command XP boosts is "unofficial P2W" (a POV which I disagree with).

But paying real cash to some ragtag third-party for credits that can be used to purchase items in-game, even end-stage gear, isn't anywhere near P2W, officially or unofficially. The OP story is just a routine case of credit selling/buying -- which is wrong, and a clear violation of the ToS for sure that should be reported -- and nothing more. BW takes this seriously (as does any company that sees third parties raking in cash the studio would otw be getting) so you can report using any of the methods others have described. But let's calm down a bit on the hyperbole...

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aerockyul
05.09.2018 , 01:24 PM | #30
I'm starting to feel the same way about credit buyers/sellers as I do about fleet trolls. Once you reach a point where you stop letting something bother you that you have no control over, you'll find more enjoyment for yourself. Stop worrying so much about what other people are doing. You can play the game honestly or dishonestly--Bioware will take action against what they deem dishonest in their eyes (not ours). And as someone said already, Bioware knows literally every single thing that's going on in their game (their CS agents may not, but Bioware does).
Then the dishonest morons act all hurt and surprised when they get sanctioned. I find that hilarious and consoling when I get a little annoyed at these people anymore.
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