Why NO KILL option on Ashara?

Added a few you missed. I probably missed some too.

Sorry to cause pain.

Not sorry for making you eat ice cream.

I agree, it's all about the attitude and the intention for me. I have no need for prolonged torture, but I do need to be able to deal with her as I see appropriate--killing her, or at very least leaving her for dead.

And I agree with this. Also I believe that if you love someone you might be more likely to overlook their foibles, where as if you don't, and you actually hate them, nothing they say or do will redeem them. My DS SI loves Andronikos and she accepted him back lovingly with open arms, cause she missed him and in her eyes he was trying to find her in the way he knows how, by being a space pirate...clearly not the cleverest route, but at least he didn't go off to 'find himself' and help who knows what faction instead of you.

And I agree with this (and additions to this). It's definitely not a female thing, as I see it that the 'sacred waifus' are somewhat more protected than their male counterparts.


And time to throw another two cents onto the pile. I see a few people implying that there is something wrong with playing an evil, lightning flinging, 'death to those who offend me' sort of Sith. The fact is there are many Sith like that. Like another poster, I play my SIs with varying personalities, but for the most part they are dark-minded and even the light side ones aren't into flakey Ashara. My Sith may be evil, intolerant lightning flingers and kill over slights, but the one thing they do respect and admire is loyalty...to the Sith, to the Empire and to the Inquistor (not necessarily in that order ) Ashara has never shown that, she's a flip-flopping flibbity gibbet with an insubordinate attitude, that earns my characters (and my) disgust.

That aside, given the choices we are given there is no 'wrong' personality to give our characters, so I would appreciate that people quit acting like it's WRONG to be evil in a game that allows you to play a villain.

What is wrong is that the dark side Sith gets no option to behave as it is in their nature to do.

I haven't seen anybody say anything about it being wrong to play a super dark character. In fact, that seems to be the leading voice in this thread, and that the general implication is that it's somehow wrong to play a Sith who might think more like Lana...or Marr...but I doubt that's actually the case. We're all just talking here. So if the comment was aimed at me, then I apologize...because that was not my intent..though I do think it should be said that being "dark minded" doesn't necessarily have to mean "evil" or "bad" either (just look at Lana, or Marr). It all boils down to what you, as the player of your character, makes of it.

Everybody is entitled to play the game however they want and play their characters however they want, making them into whoever they want them to be.

But, when we have such variety, it would be virtually impossible for the writers to take into account every little intricacy in how one SI might be from the next, from the next, from the next, and so on and so forth, on and on and on down the line. Yes, they should have done more...but they didn't. They should have done more for *all* of the Alert returns. Not just Ashara. Depending on how Ashara is engaged by the SI throughout the class story, she can wind up with three distinct attitudes. Theoretically, we should have gotten three possible versions of that character for the Alert. But, we didn't. We got one version, and that version was completely out of character to me...based on the Ashara I saw in my class story.

So the only thing I can say is...make it up in your head. Do whatever you want. Skip the alert, even...because it's pretty much certain at this point that we'll never hear Ashara's voice again. Or Nik's.

Well, it was implied, the way I read it, from the number of people explaining how 'pragmatic' or thoughtful their Sith are and referring to evil ones as 'crazy' etc. Those statements to me implied a judgment and as you say people should be able to play their toon how they want and given the choices in responses, there is no wrong way to play your Sith.

But anyway, the dark side isn't just a nuance, it's a major thing and should've been considered in the character return. Light side, even neutral was given their option but dark side, nada. Typically there are 3 responses, it just sucks that dark side didn't get one appropriate to their character. Bad writing and yeah I pretty much do make up my own stories for my characters. The ones we get lately are inadequate or downright awful.

Arcann is killable before he's a companion. Quinn can also only be killed by one class out of eight.

Add Senya ETA and Vette. If you're going to put Arcann in there, also add Acina since she runs with you as a companion in one chapter.

If there actually is a kill option for Theron there will also be one for Lana.


And I'm referring to people's behavior regarding the recent returns. We've had Andronikos, Vector, Corso, Risha and Ashara back this year. The only one that people are whining about is Ashara but they claim they want "equality" with kill options and want everyone to have a kill option. If you want equality, you should be whining for a kill option for Andronikos and Vector just as hard as Ashara. If people can come up with valid reasons to kill Ashara for having a brain of her own, people can come up with just as many for the men. But they don't.

And if you think it's a DS Sith's nature to kill Ashara you should also think it's their nature to kill off Andronikos or Quinn. But again, that doesn't seem to happen, does it. In fact we hear nothing but crying about how terrible it is that precious Quinn can finally be killed for betraying the Sith Warrior.

I did add this to my post, but you beat me to the response, lol -

So if the comment was aimed at me, then I apologize...because that was not my intent..though I do think it should be said that being "dark minded" doesn't necessarily have to mean "evil" or "bad" either (just look at Lana, or Marr). It all boils down to what you, as the player of your character, make of it.

And please don't take this the wrong way, but in summing up a character with things like "evil", "intolerant lightning fingers" and "kill over slights"...I feel like we're splitting hairs here, lol.

You could go out and play a character who is completely off-the-wall looney tunes...I have a couple actually...that doesn't mean *you* as a person are in real life. But anyways...my entire point is that there's no wrong way to play your character. It's a game. It's not real, so anybody who passes judgement on someone for how they react as a character in a fictional world...they are in the wrong.

In any game, we can only be given so many ways to play out a scene. It can be frustrating, but it can also be half the fun to go over the top with stuff in your head.

Its NOT female characters only, not even close. Ashara "Directly Challenged" the S.I. and She Wants to go in that arena so be it. To clarify another fact of the "Kill / No Kill" issue is Mostly Men not to mention the question of "Would so many want Lana's head if the roles were reversed and / or if she IS also in the conspiracy" that question always has been largely ignored with a few "Probably Not's". The Waifu issue does not cover guys (any of them). Andronikos has never been my favorite companion but he is smart enough to not push a fight he certainly cant win; whereas Ashara is acting the same (actually worse) as she always has; her insubordinate, childish ways in a room with a killer that has "No Compunction or Scruples" about Alleviating themselves of a Long Time Noise Maker (If so played).

The Sith in this game and actual "Movie" have an established history of Killing the weaker (Sometimes Spouses) when the situation so calls. All of this is again a poorly written scene, a scene that drives straight into the corner however this time there was no *Option (way Out). The entire Sith Regime is not going to change simply because one twit or writer wants "Their Way". The Sith can be terribly cruel, power hungry, backstabbing, enslaving, often torturing, murdering lot, Lucas intended that, it wont change anytime soon if ever. Personally I would have broken off that companionship as soon as the alert started (She had no reason to be on a sith ship). BW *Never* should've started the "Kill / No Kill" issue they haven't handled it well and the scenes thus far were written in ways the option was used *Needlessly (A better written scene wouldn't need that).

I agree that we all play our sith differently. When my best friend was alive and playing, her sith was light side while my sorceress is very dark side. She will kill if you don't follow what she say and give her an attitude oh lord you better hope the ground comes up and swallows you. Regarding Andronikos, no she wouldn't kill him because she loves him but she would definitely not be happy but he did at least tried to find her, albeit his way which may not be good but at least he didn't flippantly respond to her like Ashara that they were equal. It is one thing to go and develop your skills and wonder about my reaction again but quite another to flippantly say we were equals. Excuse me? Who in the hell destroyed the emperor? mmm I don't remember her doing that, I believe it was me (player character) so that comment was a bit over the top for my sorceress and then just to walk out, mmm no. My sorceress would have left her on the floor.

It's not statements like that that caused BioWare to change direction (again), after kotfe - it was several reasons, not the least of which people weren't buying (figuratively and literally) into the corridor grindfest and monthly bug filled playsessions.

They have had plenty of time to write satisfactory returns for each and every companion, so there is absolutely no reason to believe what we would have gotten had they continued on would have been any better. The fact that one of the most obvious and necessary choices for the interaction with Ashara is missing is proof of point.

I came to this game because of the names associated with the project (EA notwithstanding), and stayed because of the stories and leveling content. The stuff we got with 4.0 and beyond was utter tripe.