Why NO KILL option on Ashara?

M/M...and F/M...considering original romances are paperweights.

Somehow I don't think that would be an issue...and that any companions returned via alert will have no future story.

I also enjoyed FE/ET (for the most part, though the one-size-fits-all storyline made it hard for me to swallow for a non-force user) and would have loved to get back what they cut, along with the meaningful, story-driven returns they promised us.

I liked how FE/ET got beyond the never-ending hamster-wheel of Imp v. Pub. I like how we were able to explore the validity of shades of grey rather than doom, doom, DOOM RAAAAR! DARK SIDE!

I play a moderately dark Darth Nox. She's pragmatic. She gets along with Ashara (the conversations you can have with a pragmatic SI are amazing). She's still Sith. And she'll still open up the hurt if she needs to. But she's not a mustache-twirling psycho throwing severed heads into the streets. I wish more people would acknowledge the idea that not all Sith have to be examples of the extreme...and I got to do that with FE/ET.

Sith are people too.

Same here. IMO, the one story for all does not fit very well with non Force users or fully DS characters (ones that always pick DS options that is).

Well my Darth Nox is quite full DS and so does not get along very well with Ashara, I guess he'd rather kill her on Taris than drag her along but, no choice here, though my Darth Imperious sees Ashara quite as a kind of a little sister and she'd probably be ok with her being a bit cocky, but would probably nonetheless tell her that she may have improved but is not quite her equal yet and needs more training.

I play a more neutral SW though and prefer that more neutral, pragmatic approach for that character as I feel this makes him much more dangerous as everyone unedrestimates him and sees him only as a brainless brute wich he is not.

I hope you are wrong.

Agreed, it really is difficult for a non-force user.

I have 6 Inquisitors.
The "Bad" one who is evil and will inflict as much pain and suffering as they can, not necessarily DS
The "Good" one who will help and offer kindness support and fights injustice but not necessarily LS
The "Neutral" one who will maintain a balance between being a complete d-bag and a saint, like the rest of us
The "Complete Psycho" ******* crazy. DS/LS are meaningless, hug you one moment and electrify you the next
The "Power Hungry" Out for themselves whatever gains them the most DS/LS irrelevant
The "Loyal" Devoted to the Empire and the Emperor all options to enrich the Empire DS/LS again, irrelevant

I have other concepts in mind but I haven't got around to building them or I haven't figured out how to play them correctly yet.

Bad = Ashara Dead
Good = Ashara alive and rejoins
Neutral = Ashara alive but not rejoining
Psycho = No idea
Power Hungry = Ashara broken and rejoining
Loyal = Ashara broken and rejoining

That is just one companion return and out of my 6 Inquisitors only two of them can be true to their personalities.
Not all Sith have to be extreme, there are many personalities and possibilities available for us to play them as but with this writing the ability to stay true is gone.

So I acknowledge the fact that some Sith are fairly benign, my "good" Sith could out-good some Jedi as they show empathy and sympathy where the Jedi does not and these characters are just as valid as the others but it is not fair to cut off personalities as they have with this lack of choice.

I hope so too, but I doubt it.

Pretty much everything they've given us over the past couple years has been one-size-fits-all, and if your character doesn't conform to that "all" then you're s.o.l. This Ashara return is no different. A lot of the actual "role play" has to be done in your head.

I don't know if my Nox would see Ashara as an equal...likely not. When does a Master ever really see an Apprentice as an equal? But that's why I ran through it once, and will likely skip the alert with my other versions of the same character (I have three...one for Andronikos, one for Theron, and one for Arcann...which ended up being a disappointment, but that's an entirely different can of annoyed worms).

But, I don't think MY Ashara would act the way she was written in that alert anyways. Because again...one-size-fits-all. Everybody gets the same Ashara back, regardless of where her personality developed by the end of the original class story. Folks are upset that their characters can't react the way they'd like...but another important factor is that in all of the alerts I've seen so far...not a single companion has be "in-character" for me. Even Andronikos. The idea that he was so completely oblivious, that he had no idea the SI was alive and the leader of the Alliance, despite the fact that her face has been broadcast across the entire galaxy for TWO YEARS...uh...yeah. NO. Too busy? Riiiiiight. Like he never saw a news report or set foot in a cantina in two years...

Like I said, I'll just make it up in my head.

This.

And it's pretty telling that there hasn't been the same insistence in "it's the Sith Way OMG GUYZ!!" for the male companions. The same people that don't think a simple kill option for Ashara would have been enough, but want to enjoy abusing her, have not asked for that for Andronikos. So the Sith way doesn't cover him, too?

Andronikos wasn't looking for the SI and raided their ships, but he gets a pass? Any DS inquisitor would either fry him on the spot or torture him for it. I haven't heard a single person ask for that, but they'll ask for it for a female character.

Because it's okay to kill and abuse a female character and if the game doesn't allow it, that's somehow an agenda. If the game doesn't allow it for a male character on the same class, that's apparently fine. It's more that people are using what they perceive to be the Sith way to justify whatever they want and dropping it when it's convenient.

It probably depends on the character's actions. Ashara shows blatant disrespect for her master. Not to mention that she was pretty flakey before KotXX. My SI didn't want to abuse her. But execution for insubordination would have been appropriate.

I haven't done the Andronikos mission yet, but I already know that my SI DOES want him dead. So, you can count me as one on that side. Really, any of the companions who chose not to go looking for the SI are fit to be executed. She's ruthless.

That being stated, I'm also fine with no kill option on companions. However, the way that last interaction went down just didn't make any sense. All it would have taken was another few lines of dialogue to make it right... even without a kill option.

Also, it seems like plenty of male characters have kill options. I don't think it's a male/female thing. I think you just choose to see it that way because of the most recent events.

Just throwing this out there...but it's okay for Andronikos (the female SI's love interest) to show blatant disrespect for Sith and anything Sith and/or Imperial related (which is totes fine by me...my girl has a weakness for 'pub boys...it's like her guilty form of kryptonite)...but it's NOT okay for Ashara to do so? And depending on your conversations with her, she is no longer "blatantly disrespectful"? Mkay....this lead's me back to wanting to agree with IoNonSoEVero's assessment.

And, Andronikos *was* looking for the SI. It's bad writing. Completely bad writing. He *was* looking for her...for seven years. Tearing apart Eternal Fleet ships. (And seriously, the Fleet rapes both the Imperial and Republic fleets with a dry, splintered broom handle, and Andronikos is fine? Um...okey dokey). And even though she's been awake for two of those seven years...he had no idea she was alive. Because BioWare wrote it that way. So no, I don't see there being any reason for a SI to want to kill him. Because he was looking...BioWare just apparently wants us to think he's a total idiot.

Two words: Malavai Quinn. For years.

ETA: Actually, four words: Malavai Quinn, Theron Shan. Many scream for their heads because it's "the Sith way". They are male companions.

ETA 2: Six words: Malavai Quinn, Theron Shan, Koth Vortena.

Seems like no, it's not limited only to female companions. On the contrary, they are under protection, because Ashara is alive, while 2 of the above not (one returned with the pure purpose of being murdered by edgelords, his fans be damned), the fate of the third one unknown yet.

Male Companions that can be killed:
Koth
Jordan
Quinn
Arcann
Theron(from all the indications he can be killed)

Female companions that can be killed:
Kayilo
Scorpio (Though I would classify her as a droid)

So it doesn't look like it is a female thing.

How can two words cause so much pain? Oh wait, four words.

I am heartbroken right now Lammia, and it is your fault. :P I need ice cream.

Torian and Vette can be killed too.
I really hope that all indications are wrong and that Theron can be removed from that list.