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Why NO KILL option on Ashara?

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Why NO KILL option on Ashara?

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BlueShiftRecall
04.19.2018 , 12:07 AM | #381
Quote: Originally Posted by Goreshaga View Post
Nearly all male LI (ones that returned) can be killed now, wich is the case only for Vette and Kaliyo for female LI, quite unfair for straight female PC, considering their LI is as good as dead even if they're not, once they're killable...

But, I'm not naive, and I'm pretty sure he'll be killable
If Theron get's a kill option then all 3 m/m options can be killed, Koth/Theron/Arcann. Unless I missed someone?
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04.19.2018 , 12:42 AM | #382
Quote: Originally Posted by BlueShiftRecall View Post
If Theron get's a kill option then all 3 m/m options can be killed, Koth/Theron/Arcann. Unless I missed someone?
You can chalk that one up to bad writing. All three male LIs unfortunately DESERVE to be killed at this point, in spite of their fans saying otherwise. Theron is either a traitor or just a massive liar who either way caused damage to the Alliance. Arcann is a mass-murdering, genocidal psychopath. And Koth is a selfish, gigantic d-bag who had a fling with Lana (and thus why he's universally hated). Any Dark-aligned character would more than likely end any of these NPCs, violently and painfully. LANA should have been the traitor to balance that out, since she is the only one so far who hasn't given a reason to kill her. But for some reason she's so far untouchable. Even IF Theron is just lying and let's say Lana is the real traitor (just throwing that out there), he still needs a kill option for nearly killing you and lying to you. If there ISN'T one--yeah that's just more bad writing.
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04.19.2018 , 12:51 AM | #383
Quote: Originally Posted by Sinhammer View Post
You can chalk that one up to bad writing. All three male LIs unfortunately DESERVE to be killed at this point, in spite of their fans saying otherwise. Theron is either a traitor or just a massive liar who either way caused damage to the Alliance. Arcann is a mass-murdering, genocidal psychopath. And Koth is a selfish, gigantic d-bag who had a fling with Lana (and thus why he's universally hated). Any Dark-aligned character would more than likely end any of these NPCs, violently and painfully. LANA should have been the traitor to balance that out, since she is the only one so far who hasn't given a reason to kill her. But for some reason she's so far untouchable. Even IF Theron is just lying and let's say Lana is the real traitor (just throwing that out there), he still needs a kill option for nearly killing you and lying to you. If there ISN'T one--yeah that's just more bad writing.
I fully agree with you. As a Theron fan myself I can fully understand why people's characters will want to kill him after lying and deceiving them (not to mention how he's hurting those who romanced him by doing what he's done) and that it would be fully in character for their toons, I even have a DS SW who would kill him because that's fully in his character. Having written all 3 m/m romances this way they've backed themselves in the corner because we all know what happens when a character can be killed (no more story for them), so m/m will be dead in the water moving forward. I'm going to make a bet the next m/m will be a liar/traitor/murderer who'll turn on us...just calling it now.
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QuinlanSaathis
04.19.2018 , 01:15 AM | #384
Quote: Originally Posted by MikeCobalt View Post
I've read here (Forums)
1-if you Draw the Companions out early then *Ignore, Their Alert you *Keep the Pre KotXX version (Not Speech broken and Resumes their placement of your ship).
2-If you draw them out *Early then *Do, take their Alert, then your comp. version will be *Replaced. Personally I only took out Akaavi early and I do Plan on Ignoring that Alert Indefinitely.
3-Wait for the Alert (Like it was BW intended) suffer the script defects, be insulted, have an emptier ship (for those that still use it) and two..ish minutes of Story that may or may not reflect your companions character.
Yes you are correct, I was speaking if you do take the alert.
Not taking it locks you out of any future story with the companions

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MikeCobalt
04.19.2018 , 01:41 AM | #385
Quote: Originally Posted by QuinlanSaathis View Post
Yes you are correct, I was speaking if you do take the alert.
Not taking it locks you out of any future story with the companions
Kinda what I've thought also. Maybe I can *YouTube what other people have done in their Akaavi / Mako reunion then weigh the results. One thing that keeps going through my mind concerning these returns and much of the recent SWTOR bits....The original story writers dealt with crucial events, different companions and landmark decisions and never once write themselves into a "Spot" where any of this was necessary. Lately the Bits have driven the stories into Impossible situations, convoluted the story line and created animosity in every aspect. "Shock Effect", "Life & Death Decisions" and "Profuse Drama" are tools when the story otherwise would be flat; a better written scene requires none of these "Crutch's" to entertain and hold an audience.

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BJWyler
04.19.2018 , 03:49 AM | #386
Quote: Originally Posted by MikeCobalt View Post
Kinda what I've thought also. Maybe I can *YouTube what other people have done in their Akaavi / Mako reunion then weigh the results. One thing that keeps going through my mind concerning these returns and much of the recent SWTOR bits....The original story writers dealt with crucial events, different companions and landmark decisions and never once write themselves into a "Spot" where any of this was necessary. Lately the Bits have driven the stories into Impossible situations, convoluted the story line and created animosity in every aspect. "Shock Effect", "Life & Death Decisions" and "Profuse Drama" are tools when the story otherwise would be flat; a better written scene requires none of these "Crutch's" to entertain and hold an audience.
Unfortunately, the corner was written into when they decided to go the route of the boorish "Keeping up with the Valkorians". A distinctly un-Star Wars side trip story. Anything that comes afterward now is going to be unsatisfactory because of this. The only way out is to retcon the last two expansions and remove any influence the story had between 3.0 and 6.0.
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Paulsutherland
04.19.2018 , 04:23 AM | #387
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Unfortunately, the corner was written into when they decided to go the route of the boorish "Keeping up with the Valkorians". A distinctly un-Star Wars side trip story. Anything that comes afterward now is going to be unsatisfactory because of this. The only way out is to retcon the last two expansions and remove any influence the story had between 3.0 and 6.0.
Well, we have time travel now, maybe cause a timey timey event that takes us back to the end of Ziost? In which we save Darth Marr, Vette, Vaylin etc ... maybe we zap Valkorian with his Holocron and trap him in there? thus saving our past self from KOTFE/ET ... but then the reasons for us going back in time wouldn't exist ... so we'll spend the rest of SWTOR's life pondering if we ****ed up the timeline or if we're in a parallel dimension.

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QuinlanSaathis
04.19.2018 , 05:09 AM | #388
Quote: Originally Posted by BJWyler View Post
Unfortunately, the corner was written into when they decided to go the route of the boorish "Keeping up with the Valkorians". A distinctly un-Star Wars side trip story. Anything that comes afterward now is going to be unsatisfactory because of this. The only way out is to retcon the last two expansions and remove any influence the story had between 3.0 and 6.0.
I completely disagree with this.
It was statements like this that cheated us out of the full three episodes at 16 chapters each with full blown and satisfying companion returns and gave this the rubbish we have now.

I enjoyed every part of KotFE and KotET and if you appreciated the depth of the Aric, Kaliyo, Torian, Scorpio, and the Vette/Gault returns then that depth would have been for a vast majority of the companions.
Instead we got a few Alerts and the dross that is being served up as "returns" now.

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Goreshaga
04.19.2018 , 05:15 AM | #389
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I completely disagree with this.
It was statements like this that cheated us out of the full three episodes at 16 chapters each with full blown and satisfying companion returns and gave this the rubbish we have now.

I enjoyed every part of KotFE and KotET and if you appreciated the depth of the Aric, Kaliyo, Torian, Scorpio, and the Vette/Gault returns then that depth would have been for a vast majority of the companions.
Instead we got a few Alerts and the dross that is being served up as "returns" now.
I completely agree with this.
I enjoyed KOTFE and KOTET a lot, but it was really too short to really be satisfying, and now everyone is upset with what we have

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DefenderTwo
04.19.2018 , 05:38 AM | #390
Quote: Originally Posted by QuinlanSaathis View Post
I completely disagree with this.
It was statements like this that cheated us out of the full three episodes at 16 chapters each with full blown and satisfying companion returns and gave this the rubbish we have now.

I enjoyed every part of KotFE and KotET and if you appreciated the depth of the Aric, Kaliyo, Torian, Scorpio, and the Vette/Gault returns then that depth would have been for a vast majority of the companions.
Instead we got a few Alerts and the dross that is being served up as "returns" now.
I agree with this.

I would rather pay to see what was in those two 16 chapter expansions that wherever we're going now.