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Maybe it's time to move to a full F2P model

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Maybe it's time to move to a full F2P model

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PorsaLindahl
04.04.2018 , 03:36 PM | #91
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
Granted, my signature is nothing like yours, which is very stylish and classy...mine's a little dated and far less appealing than yours is...but it's certainly not a scam.

I actually didn't add it until back when we needed server mergers...it was a way to tell people how to get a free transfer without paying, and rewarding, Bioware for sitting on dead servers for a year. I don't spam it in-game, I don't beg people to click it...if they do click it, it's 100% voluntary. I also don't hide behind a forum name that nobody will know either - every one of my toons is named TUX something online (Tux'mando, Tuxx, Tu'x etc).
Besides that, a scammer is someone who would offer to pay someone to use their RAF code, then refuse to pay them after they used it.

Sounds like he's just lashing out because he's upset about something.

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Confusi
04.04.2018 , 05:33 PM | #92
Quote: Originally Posted by PorsaLindahl View Post
Since BW seems to be more interested in spending the majority of their development time creating eye candy and neglecting / ignoring their paying customers, maybe they need to move to a full F2P and let the Cartel Market support the game. At least with a F2P model you don't have to worry about pissing off paying customers.

They certainly aren't getting any more money from me due to this idiotic conquest system. They fooled me last week into thinking it was somewhat fixed to a bearable level. After logging in and looking over the conquest objectives for this week, I just logged off and cancelled again.
Ummmm ...NO thank you.

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Ardrossan
04.04.2018 , 08:40 PM | #93
Speaking of referrals, I generally assume that if someone has a referral tag in their sig they want to keep playing and encouraging others to play. That may be overly optimistic though, given that Porsa, after all, has a referral link in her sig too - one they added just after they resubbed [for all of 2mins, apparently]. While I like the game and encourage friends to play, I get more lasting value from keeping CrutchCricket's enduring cynicism in my sig than any old referral link.

Um...on-topic? I was pref for several years before subbing and I thought it was fine, provided you pick the various unlocks. But tbh I'm unclear what the point of this thread is - it's not the usual cheapskate argument [alas, Saereth], since OP doesn't want to play without paying anyway. It's kind of funny that OP is complaining about trolls given that the thread itself is just forum flamebait - they don't actually want the game to go F2P, it's just a convoluted way of announcing that they're quitting. To which I would refer back to:

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Knockerz
04.04.2018 , 09:09 PM | #94
I think they should move to a full F2P model to bring in more people. The current f2p model would have to be changed. I like Tera f2p or similar mmorpgs like black desert. BW would have to remove the credit cap, but place restrictions or penalties in other areas like gtn, flashpoints, operations, warzones, crafting, ect.
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Eshvara
04.05.2018 , 10:14 AM | #95
Quote: Originally Posted by Knockerz View Post
I think they should move to a full F2P model to bring in more people. The current f2p model would have to be changed. I like Tera f2p or similar mmorpgs like black desert. BW would have to remove the credit cap, but place restrictions or penalties in other areas like gtn, flashpoints, operations, warzones, crafting, ect.
People will gladly pay for a game that they think is worth paying for. Making the game free with the same kind of content draughts we have now won't fix anything. They need to step up with quite a few things before change can happen.
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PorsaLindahl
04.05.2018 , 10:26 AM | #96
Quote: Originally Posted by Ardrossan View Post
Speaking of referrals, I generally assume that if someone has a referral tag in their sig they want to keep playing and encouraging others to play. That may be overly optimistic though, given that Porsa, after all, has a referral link in her sig too - one they added just after they resubbed [for all of 2mins, apparently]. While I like the game and encourage friends to play, I get more lasting value from keeping CrutchCricket's enduring cynicism in my sig than any old referral link.

Um...on-topic? I was pref for several years before subbing and I thought it was fine, provided you pick the various unlocks. But tbh I'm unclear what the point of this thread is - it's not the usual cheapskate argument [alas, Saereth], since OP doesn't want to play without paying anyway. It's kind of funny that OP is complaining about trolls given that the thread itself is just forum flamebait - they don't actually want the game to go F2P, it's just a convoluted way of announcing that they're quitting. To which I would refer back to:
More personal attacks? I've had that sig/link for years. Just because you didn't notice it until a few changes were made to my sig, doesn't change that fact.

This thread isn't about the differences in F2P, Preferred and Premium. It's just narrow-minded people that can't see past those that are raging against it. The post was made half-facetiously, but not totally. BW seems to have more care for the CM than long term subscriptions. THAT WAS THE POINT OF THE THREAD. But trolls will be trolls and reverted to personally attacking me instead of debating the topic. GG.

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TUXs
04.05.2018 , 10:26 AM | #97
Quote: Originally Posted by Knockerz View Post
I think they should move to a full F2P model to bring in more people. The current f2p model would have to be changed. I like Tera f2p or similar mmorpgs like black desert. BW would have to remove the credit cap, but place restrictions or penalties in other areas like gtn, flashpoints, operations, warzones, crafting, ect.
I kinda agree with Eshvara on this...I don't think it's the $15 keeping people from playing it, it's the lack of development that is. I don't think a full F2P would benefit anyone long term...
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Andryah
04.05.2018 , 10:43 AM | #98
Quote: Originally Posted by Eshvara View Post
People will gladly pay for a game that they think is worth paying for. Making the game free with the same kind of content draughts we have now won't fix anything. They need to step up with quite a few things before change can happen.
I generally agree with what Eshvara states here. Though I think the term "content drought" is over played in the forum. Yes.. for some players there is simply not enough content.... but for others.... that is not really an issue to be honest. There are players that pace themselves, replay content and diversify their play, and there are players that consume as fast as they can and largely do not like to re-consume anything. Neither approach is wrong per se.. but they place different demands on an MMO.....and I think we ALL do the game and the playerbase a disservice when we try to insist there is a one size fits all opinion on MMO content.

Quote: Originally Posted by Knockerz View Post
I think they should move to a full F2P model to bring in more people. The current f2p model would have to be changed. I like Tera f2p or similar mmorpgs like black desert. BW would have to remove the credit cap, but place restrictions or penalties in other areas like gtn, flashpoints, operations, warzones, crafting, ect.
Totally disagree with this assessment. Different MMOs have in fact adopted different access models that provide options beyond just sub-only, but very few of them are actually F2P but rather have a limited access free to play option. Sub-only is largely a failing model in the market now days.. with only a small number of legacy MMOs (or in the case of FFn series... a franchise following) continuing as sub-only. But a true F2P model is also a failing model.. in that it actually generates very little revenue. Which is why there are not many true F2P MMOs and never will be. But even the F2Ps that exist in the MMO market.. they have various monetization schemes... all of which make it clear to the impatient player or player wanting access to everything that said MMO is definitely NOT free to play.

But the real bane in MMOs of a true F2P business model is that these MMOs are saturated with people who leech what they can and give nothing back to the game or the player base. F2P also removes a lot of natural accountability in behavior by players, making them a haven for trollish game behaviors, griefing, etc. As soon as you put a $ requirement in front of them.. they grow bored and leave to troll some other F2P.
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Ardrossan
04.05.2018 , 10:51 AM | #99
Quote: Originally Posted by PorsaLindahl View Post
More personal attacks? I've had that sig/link for years. Just because you didn't notice it until a few changes were made to my sig, doesn't change that fact.

This thread isn't about the differences in F2P, Preferred and Premium. It's just narrow-minded people that can't see past those that are raging against it. The post was made half-facetiously, but not totally. BW seems to have more care for the CM than long term subscriptions. THAT WAS THE POINT OF THE THREAD. But trolls will be trolls and reverted to personally attacking me instead of debating the topic. GG.
You changed your sig repeatedly all the while making a big stink about how you were leaving on such and such a date. Then when you didn't, you didn't explain to anyone why you decided to stay - though I remember translucent asking you directly about it. Now you've unsubbed again. I think you're in it for the forum pvp, same as everyone else, bit more of a drama queen than most though.

'Half-facetiously'. The thread is flamebait so you can grind your ax a bit longer. It's the exact same kind of thread as 'maybe the game should go into maintenance mode' except everyone knows that that's coded language for 'DOOOOM', so you made a slightly different topic with the same argument.

So stop with the moaning about trolls. YOU'RE the biggest troll here, and while yes, I can certainly just /ignore, I can also call you on your crap, which I'd rather do if we're being honest.
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TUXs
04.05.2018 , 10:55 AM | #100
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
But the real bane in MMOs of a true F2P business model is that these MMOs are saturated with people who leech what they can and give nothing back to the game or the player base.
You need to be careful here...I understand what you're saying, but even those leeches can provide something. They provide bodies, they provide sales on the GTN, they provide items to the GTN, they provide help for other players, they provide life to an otherwise dead world. Again, I get what you're saying, but even F2P players fill a need imo...even if it's just to add "life" to an online game.

Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
F2P also removes a lot of natural accountability in behavior by players, making them a haven for trollish game behaviors, griefing, etc. As soon as you put a $ requirement in front of them.. they grow bored and leave to troll some other F2P.
They already do this...so I don't think this would change much. It may pick up for a bit, but I don't see it being any worse than it currently is.
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