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Arcann romance appreciation thread! Haters keep out please!❤

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Arcann romance appreciation thread! Haters keep out please!❤

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RandomName_Ru
04.02.2018 , 03:53 AM | #3711
I think for Vitiate Galaxy is just a massive open world game. Everything is his playground, everyone is NPC. He invested years into this, tried everything, got attached to some aspects of it – but it is not real for him. At least until the moment he realizes that he is stuck in a head of a strong willed individual without any way to “respawn”.

Conserning hosts - IIRC, Essence Transfer have a bigger failure chance if the host is strong willed and Vitiate was weakened by the end of vanilla game, so he gets a power boost on Ziost and it is still not enough for PC. Definitely would not be enough for Vaylin. Arcann – maybe he was strong enough to resist, maybe his hatred for Daddy dearest kept him safe, maybe he was supposed to be the antagonist in Valky “hero jorney” or he was second best again? So Vitiate hops into PC, has a “oh ****” moment then he can overpower them, got stuck in carbonite, bids his time, searches for weaknesses and after Lana saves PC, pushes them to kill his children who at this point are just power pickups for him.

As for Senya - she landed herself a role of a LI. Poor woman.

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In regards to Scourge and JK it may have been because he didn't need to convince the JK that the Emperor had to be destroyed/stopped/killed w/e. The JK already shared that viewpoint. I dunno, it was a waste to not mention it ever in-game until KotET though.
I think that after the spectacular failure of "glorious" plan of Tol Braga and spending some time as Emperor puppet and doing who knows what, JK did not need any encouragement. "He is the Void". Of course JK can still try to spare the Voice, but we know how that one went .

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Cowoline
04.02.2018 , 05:02 AM | #3712
Quote: Originally Posted by MrJunay View Post
I understand that in the KOTFE our PC was engaged in robbery, terrorism and other "sweet things", but at the same time "evil" was Arcann, who tried to stop the terrorists' attacks on Zakuul and save the galaxy from the threat of the Immortal Emperor?

If we look at the other side, then our PC is just ... the bastard..
That is... an excellent point. And if you go full dark-side you are at least as much a tyrant as Arcann.

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MrJunay
04.02.2018 , 05:32 AM | #3713
Quote: Originally Posted by Cowoline View Post
That is... an excellent point. And if you go full dark-side you are at least as much a tyrant as Arcann.
On the DS side, our PC is even a worse tyrant than Arcann. Arcann did terrible things, but he had a goal - to protect Zakuul from from the dangerous enemy in which Valkorion is sitting (as he perceived our PC). DS PC just ... a murderer, a terrorist and a usurper, who destroyed the royal family and seized the throne.
PC killed the dragon and himself became a dragon.

But even in the version of LS, our PC has to do pretty disgusting things. Yes, chapters with robbery and terrorism were written for BH, agents, smugglers. But for the Jedi (and for the Sith), are these chapters ... humiliating? I can not believe that the Jedi Master or a member of the Dark Council would be engaged in such a shameful thing. In extreme cases, they would send their people to like that.

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RandomName_Ru
04.02.2018 , 06:40 AM | #3714
Quote: Originally Posted by MrJunay View Post
On the DS side, our PC is even a worse tyrant than Arcann. Arcann did terrible things, but he had a goal - to protect Zakuul from from the dangerous enemy in which Valkorion is sitting (as he perceived our PC). DS PC just ... a murderer, a terrorist and a usurper, who destroyed the royal family and seized the throne.
PC killed the dragon and himself became a dragon.

But even in the version of LS, our PC has to do pretty disgusting things. Yes, chapters with robbery and terrorism were written for BH, agents, smugglers. But for the Jedi (and for the Sith), are these chapters ... humiliating? I can not believe that the Jedi Master or a member of the Dark Council would be engaged in such a shameful thing. In extreme cases, they would send their people to like that.
I respect your view, but I disagree.

I am not sure that Arcann was trying to save the galaxy from Valkorion. I think he had very different motives.

While I do agree that DS PC is no better then Arcann, I would argue that LS PC is. They will have a very definite stance on civilian causalities, will keep Kalyo in check (in her case we are dealing with the companion immunity and I would love the option to not recruit her and find another way to get Overwatch data), and return the wealth to the people it was taken from.

And I hated the "take the throne" part. Remember how Valkorion takes over PC mind in last Chapter? By slamming them into the cursed chair? This is how it felt all the time. Forced. We should had an option to refuse the damn thing. I had no desire for my character to become the Dragon.

As for terrorism – just look at the Star Fortresses which, as I understood it, were build and launched before Outlander got loose. How exactly making so that no Gormak child is born healthy fits into stopping Valkorion?

Arcann was not fit to rule - he never was taught how. He had a great potential and it was all wasted or suppressed. He was twisted into something terrible. But in the end... He done horrible things.

Edit: and I can not see how PC is a good candidate for ruling too. The only classes who do have any experience in that are SI and JC?

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Asmodesu
04.02.2018 , 07:47 AM | #3715
Finally, after so long my Agent lass made it to the end of KotET. Turns out I don't need to do the Find a Findsman alert to get Arcann's xD thank goodness, since I'd forgotten to do it xD

Edit: done, goal complete now what do I do...
I loved the chuckle he gives if you respond to the protection thing with this line.
And the kiss obviously.
I had to unequip my Agent's rifle, it took up most of the screen xD
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MrJunay
04.02.2018 , 09:25 AM | #3716
Quote: Originally Posted by RandomName_Ru View Post
I respect your view, but I disagree.

I am not sure that Arcann was trying to save the galaxy from Valkorion. I think he had very different motives.

While I do agree that DS PC is no better then Arcann, I would argue that LS PC is. They will have a very definite stance on civilian causalities, will keep Kalyo in check (in her case we are dealing with the companion immunity and I would love the option to not recruit her and find another way to get Overwatch data), and return the wealth to the people it was taken from.

And I hated the "take the throne" part. Remember how Valkorion takes over PC mind in last Chapter? By slamming them into the cursed chair? This is how it felt all the time. Forced. We should had an option to refuse the damn thing. I had no desire for my character to become the Dragon.

As for terrorism – just look at the Star Fortresses which, as I understood it, were build and launched before Outlander got loose. How exactly making so that no Gormak child is born healthy fits into stopping Valkorion?

Arcann was not fit to rule - he never was taught how. He had a great potential and it was all wasted or suppressed. He was twisted into something terrible. But in the end... He done horrible things.

Edit: and I can not see how PC is a good candidate for ruling too. The only classes who do have any experience in that are SI and JC?
Arcann does not have a clear goal to save the whole galaxy (he is not an altruist, but in fact, just a selfish Sith). He rather wants to save his throne and Zakuul, but destroying Valky would be a good thing for the whole galaxy.

The LS would be positive if it did not have frankly "dark chapters" written for other classes. Yes, we can choose "light options" in them, but it seem ... false and illogical? Why should the whole chapter be helped by Kalyo and ultimately prevent her from doing what she wants? Why steal the treasury, that would return money to people?
It would be logical to have dark options.

The throne is insistently offered to us from the first (maximum - second) chapter and constantly, throughout the game. All surrounded by PCs (and Valky in particular) simply force him to take the throne. By the end of the game, I already hated this throne.

And anyway, which of our PCs is the ruler? Absolutely foreign state, with a foreign culture and laws? The developers thought about how our PC can control Zakuul? For several decades he must only study the basics of Zakuul. Even Indo Zal is the best ruler of Zakuul than the PC.

I am amazed also by the fact that no one stopped Arcann in his "wise rule". And where are the advisers and ministers? Where are the courtiers? Environment? Security? What kind of a state is this, where one moron with his sister could have done such a thing?
Although, what I'm talking about ... The droid stole their throne. Droid! Probably, so the Matrix has begun.

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Iheaca
04.02.2018 , 09:32 AM | #3717
Quote: Originally Posted by RandomName_Ru View Post
I respect your view, but I disagree.

I am not sure that Arcann was trying to save the galaxy from Valkorion. I think he had very different motives.

While I do agree that DS PC is no better then Arcann, I would argue that LS PC is. They will have a very definite stance on civilian causalities, will keep Kalyo in check (in her case we are dealing with the companion immunity and I would love the option to not recruit her and find another way to get Overwatch data), and return the wealth to the people it was taken from.

And I hated the "take the throne" part. Remember how Valkorion takes over PC mind in last Chapter? By slamming them into the cursed chair? This is how it felt all the time. Forced. We should had an option to refuse the damn thing. I had no desire for my character to become the Dragon.

As for terrorism – just look at the Star Fortresses which, as I understood it, were build and launched before Outlander got loose. How exactly making so that no Gormak child is born healthy fits into stopping Valkorion?

Arcann was not fit to rule - he never was taught how. He had a great potential and it was all wasted or suppressed. He was twisted into something terrible. But in the end... He done horrible things.

Edit: and I can not see how PC is a good candidate for ruling too. The only classes who do have any experience in that are SI and JC?
To me, before his healing (and after as well on some points) Arcann is a grown up but totally immature abused and abandoned kid. Same for his sister who is even worse. Ruling the galaxy, setting it to fire, spilling blood, is his revenge. He wants power because he always felt powerless. He wants obedience because he has never been loved (and can obviously not be in his position), he cannot - or does not want to- feel compassion because he never got any. And he probably even wants to show his father that he can be greater than him.

And above all, yes he is probably not fit to be a good ruler, but I guess that anyone can be a good tyrant with such an army at hand and a few people around who fear them enough and know what they do.

As per the PC, definitely not a good candidate for being a good ruler neither. But well, Star Wars is all about unexpected leaders standing out of the crowd. So well, why not...
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Seireeni
04.02.2018 , 09:35 AM | #3718
Quote: Originally Posted by RandomName_Ru View Post
Arcann was not fit to rule - he never was taught how. He had a great potential and it was all wasted or suppressed. He was twisted into something terrible. But in the end... He done horrible things.
Now you're making me feel that Arcann is a little similar to my favorite band's interpretation of Mordred (from King Arthur legends). "Born with a king's heart / but faith fooled me and changed my cards"
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Cawyden
04.02.2018 , 09:56 AM | #3719
Quote: Originally Posted by Asmodesu View Post
Finally, after so long my Agent lass made it to the end of KotET. Turns out I don't need to do the Find a Findsman alert to get Arcann's xD thank goodness, since I'd forgotten to do it xD

Edit: done, goal complete now what do I do...
I loved the chuckle he gives if you respond to the protection thing with this line.
And the kiss obviously.
I had to unequip my Agent's rifle, it took up most of the screen xD
Congrats
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Quote: Originally Posted by Iheaca View Post
To me, before his healing (and after as well on some points) Arcann is a grown up but totally immature abused and abandoned kid. Same for his sister who is even worse. Ruling the galaxy, setting it to fire, spilling blood, is his revenge. He wants power because he always felt powerless. He wants obedience because he has never been loved (and can obviously not be in his position), he cannot - or does not want to- feel compassion because he never got any. And he probably even wants to show his father that he can be greater than him.

And above all, yes he is probably not fit to be a good ruler, but I guess that anyone can be a good tyrant with such an army at hand and a few people around who fear them enough and know what they do.

As per the PC, definitely not a good candidate for being a good ruler neither. But well, Star Wars is all about unexpected leaders standing out of the crowd. So well, why not...
I think that is very fitting how you describe Arcann here. Despite everything Arcann and Vaylin did I do feel bad for them. With Arcann we can now see what a different man he can be. I wonder if Vaylin could have been similar to redeemed Arcann.

Quote: Originally Posted by Seireeni View Post
Now you're making me feel that Arcann is a little similar to my favorite band's interpretation of Mordred (from King Arthur legends). "Born with a king's heart / but faith fooled me and changed my cards"
OMG, I didn't expect to find someone else who loves Blind Guardian! They are my favorite band too! I love especially the Nightfall in Middle Earth album.

That being said I do think there is a similarity to Mordred. And with the phantom of the opera when I think about it.... and now I imagine having Kotfe/Kotet being told in musical form... maybe I should stop posting for today....

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Seireeni
04.02.2018 , 10:06 AM | #3720
Quote: Originally Posted by Cawyden View Post
OMG, I didn't expect to find someone else who love Blind Guardian! They are might favorite band too! I love especially the Nightfall in Middle Earth album.
...that's my favorite album too. Though I did enjoy Beyond the Red Mirror due to the story aspects, that would actually be my second favorite. (I know loads of other people disliked that album since all the songs were pretty long and progressive and none were fast-paced)

Quote: Originally Posted by Cawyden View Post
That being said I do think there is a similarity to Mordred. And with the phantom of the opera when I think about it.... and now I imagine having Kotfe/Kotet being told in musical form... maybe I should stop posting for today....
Yes, you should stop posting and start writing that musical
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