Why NO KILL option on Ashara?

But you've said numerous times in this thread that it's about equality and everyone should get kill options because Companion X did. So why haven't you been this strenuously asking for kill options for the male companions who have come back, or Theron, if all things are equal?

And if this is about lore and characterization - are you really telling me that your Sith would kill someone for being snotty but would also shrug and walk away from someone who had been raiding her ships and thus messing with her Alliance? I think that she would have fried them on the spot. So why haven't you felt the same about Andronikos not getting a kill option?

Thing is, there should always be the option to keep a comp and the option to kill a comp and something in between. I don't feel that way for all of them but for simplicity's sake I say do it for all then it's fair.

As for calling out the 'edgelords', plenty of them called me plenty of names and were hostile to me in the thread I was referencing a while back where I didn't want to see kill options, especially on Theron because I didn't want to see characters bricked. I feel strongly about things too, and it feels like some people are allowed to declare their hate on characters even act on it, but when it comes to ones I don't like I have to sit in the corner and keep my mouth shut. Nope, it doesn't work that way.

I think this quote from Animal Farm sums it up pretty well:


“All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.”

― George Orwell, Animal Farm

I ask for what I would like to see. I'd rather not kill many of the companions, male or female, but I realize it's not fair to choose some and not others so that's why in the 'Vector' thread I said, offer the option for all just to make it fair, even though I adore Vector. Keep, Kill, Dismiss options maybe. Bioware set the precedent for killing some comps, so why should only some get the axe? Why are others precious?

Yes, my Sith lord romanced Andronikos and she listened to what he had to say and his reasons for raiding the ships. If you listened to the romance version, you'd know he wasn't raiding them to make money, he was raiding them to search for the player character, because he loved and missed them. He didn't realize the crazy Empress was the PC, he thought it was Vaylin. There are plot holes in this too, like I'm sure Andronikos would have heard on the holonet about things...but this is what happens when you get a crappy noob writer and give them comp stories all of two minutes to resolve properly.

I romanced Andronikos so it's different for my character, she loves him, but if people wanted the option to kill him, I suppose they should've gotten one.

Uh, ACTUALLY, and respectfully, you obviously didn't read the whole "Kill Vector" thread because a lot of the same people actually ARE saying that fair's fair and he should have had a kill option. (Which, to be honest, would have been a super confusing thing to add because he did absolutely nothing to warrant a kill option, ever, other than being a Joiner <-- a choice that was involuntarily thrust upon him I should add.)

If you READ the whole point of this thread, it's that it ISN'T fair that Ashara (and Vector) didn't get a kill option. Seeing as back when Quinn was going to come back people were calling for his head, the Devs gave him a kill option without a "How do you do?"

It's almost like a parody of calling for Quinn's head, with a little legit confusion as to why a Dark V Inquisitor is just allowed to let an insubordinate apprentice go without much of a fight. It's a bad characterization of the Inquisitor.

It's not about the sexism of the players. It's the sexism of the writers and Devs for adding these options (and disproportionately paying more attention to female love interests and adding the kill option to more male love interests than the female ones).

I'm not a fan of killing any of the companions. Reject them, banish them, sure, fine, whatever. Or maybe they should write the story better so there's no need to brick the companions at all.

It's not something to take personally, though, and it's starting to look like you are. Take a breath (hear that in Lana's voice, I know I did when I wrote it). Demand better from the Devs and writers. If they step up to the plate, then us players would be much happier

But see, this is the problem. One can't be excused if the other can't,. either. It's not about parity. I think any SI who would kill Ashara for being sassy would kill Andronikos for sheer stupidity of not knowing who was the Empress.

The "precious" you keep referring to is Quinn. He is the only companion in the class stories who orchestrates an elaborate scheme to murder the player which is a special case. What the devs did on Iokath was damage control. They wrote a class story where the companion tried to kill off your character (and yes, I know some people rationalize that too) and then gave the player no way to get rid of them. So when Iokath rolled around they did damage control. They made it even worse by *not* offering Imperial side players a way to dismiss Quinn without killing him. You either had to welcome him or kill him if you stayed with the Empire.

But because the devs tried to fix one mistake with another mistake, NOW every other companion needs to have a kill option? No. I'm sorry. Lashing out and thinking every other character needs to die because ONE character you liked died....no.

And again, when people pressure BW into actually doing this, and they kill off companions from the main story altogether, will that somehow be better?

Okay, the 'take a breath' comment made me laugh, gotta say. And it's probably a good idea in this case.

I read the Vector thread (which seems to have been started as a parody of this - I don't think anyone in that thread actually wanted to kill him), but I've seen people stumping far more strenuously for the killing of this character than others, and I've never seen people get disgruntled that Andronikos or Corso didn't have kill options either. That's my issue here.

The whole "Quinn died so everyone must die!" thing is misguided. That was the devs trying to fix one mistake (not giving players a way to dismiss Quinn in the class story) with another, and leaving out options that would have made sense (such as giving Imperial players a way to dismiss him without killing him). But insisting every companion from here on out must die because of that is not okay IMHO.

And again, when Bioware does kill everyone off and there's nobody left in the main story will that be great for everyone?

Except it was a mistake for Ashara not to be killable in the first place (Let's all remember that lovely KILL ASHARA option that goes ignored for ~reasons~) There's zero reason she ever should've been left alive for a DS SI so her death as a correction would've made as much sense as killing Quinn for a crime he did years ago.

If Ashara was actually killable in the beta the way Quinn was, I'd agree. But that still doesn't translate to "kill every companion because my favorite had a k/s option."

I'm glad that it did That was my intent when I wrote it.

Because who actually likes or cares about Andronikos and Corso? I kid, I kid, I kid (sort of).

Ultimately, it's all bad writing. It's written by someone (some ones) who are OBVIOUSLY not at all familiar with the original source material. Have you played a full blown, Dark 5 Darth Nox? It's completely out of character for a Nox to allow anyone, ANYONE, to back talk to them and allow them to live. Darth Nox punts puppies with spiky, steel toed boots, bathes in the blood of the cutest internet kittens, and drinks the tears of the saddest, most pathetic orphans just for the shiggles (that's a combined word for s**ts and giggles). The only character who's probably tied for being Over-The-Top evil is DS Jaesa (Okay, to be fair, that's how I view MY Nox. YMMV). That's not even getting into the fact that the Inquisitor (being the protagonist) will ALWAYS be more powerful than pretty much anyone else in the story, which happens to include Ashara, no matter how much meditating she's done on Voss.

And then to let D5 Nox let her go without so much as a FIGHT? That's bad writing for the Inquisitor. Ashara's character development wasn't all that bad, to be honest. I actually believed her story progression. The real crime here is the insult to the Inquisitor, particularly a D5 one.

It didn't even need to be a "Kill" option (because I'm not a fan of them, period. I didn't even kill Kaliyo and I really, REALLY never liked her-she never fit with my agent. Instead I exiled her.) Let it be a FIGHT where Ashara escapes and the Inquisitor VOWING to find her and kill her someday (it doesn't even need to be followed up upon, to be honest). Just make the Player Character come out on top instead of looking like a chump who didn't even TRY to live up to those D5 points.

BW set the precedent long before Quinn returned by allowing players the option to kill Aric or Kaliyo. Once they opened THAT floodgate, THAT'S what started the "Well, we should be able to kill Quinn for what he did years ago!" had they never added that dumb "Kill" option for Kaliyo and Aric, and maybe just only had the "exile" option and stayed consistent through out, then there would have been a lot less complaining when Quinn's return rolled around. A few people with their "Murderections" would have screamed, but not as much as people are now.

(That's not even getting into their whole desire to relive their past glory which in this case was the "Virmire" choice by making us choose a companion to live and die -Vette and Torian in this case. The WHOLE thing felt very forced because unless the Commander in that situation was a BH or SW they wouldn't care nearly as much as the ACTUAL PLAYER would. That's called Metagaming. Relying on the Player's knowledge rather than the Character's knowledge. That's just bad writing. But I think I've said that quite a few times already.)

What was even WORSE about that was Quinn gets killed pretty much before he says, "It's good to see you my-- *GAAAAAACK*" There wasn't any build up. We had a full chapter with Aric and Kaliyo, each, before that option came up. Quinn's bleeding on our boots before he exhales.

Man, that's not even getting into how badly Quinn's joining the Alliance was for anyone who WASN'T a SW. He says "Hi," and that's pretty much it. You never see him again. I wasn't even sure if he joined the Alliance until I checked my roster. Not even a letter of introduction. Quinn or Elara should have been your companion on Iokath instead of Theron. It's just TERRIBLE. I can COMPLETELY understand why people who like Quinn are super pissed about the "Kill" option. I don't care how much damage control BW was trying to do for mistakes they made six real life years ago, they didn't handle it well AT ALL and they just caved in to the vocal minority, frankly because the males over there at BW didn't like Quinn. They were GIGGLING about being able to kill Quinn on their announcement for Iokath Livestream. THAT'S NOT GOOD. THAT'S NOT FUNNY. THAT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE.

First, don't worry: BW LOOOOOOOOOOVES their female characters whose names start with "L" (Lana, Liara, Leliana). So Lana will always be safe and sound (which, TBH, is probably why a lot of people are becoming disgruntled towards her) . It has nothing to do with her being an option for lesbian players to romance. It has EVERYTHING to do with her being female. And dudes can romance her, too. And that's FAAAAAARRR more important to the dudebros at BW, who operate under the assumption than there are no females on the internet and if there are, they CERTAINLY don't play video games.

Ultimately I agree with you. I don't want BW to kill ANY of the companions. I want BW to live up to their former reputation of being the best story tellers in the business.

However they seem to lack the desire to do so, or to even make the attempt to TRY with their limited resources. So we're stuck with...whatever this is.

SIDE NOTE GUYS:

We might want to knock it off with these "I wanna kill so-and-so" threads, even if they are in jest. BW doesn't actually READ these threads (If they did, they wouldn't have pushed out these sad excuses they call companion reunions), they just see the topics and assume they're serious. All these threads are going to do is make the whole "Let's kill all the companions and force them to get companions from the Cartel Market! *congratulatory back slaps all around*" an actual thing.

I'm not lashing out, I want to do right by my character and all other dark side Sith characters. If they were supposed to be fluffy kittens, they should've been written that way from the start, but they weren't. They are killers and they don't take crap from insubordinates. Why should some get to indulge their character's hate and not others? One Sith is better than another Sith?

I'm asking that my dark side V Sith not be mischaracterized. Not being able to kill Ashara is a gross character assassination of the Sith Inquisitor especially the dark side ones.

Quinn is not 'precious' because he was made killable (and it was done at a time that didn't make any sense and was done to cater to haters because the devs mistakenly thought they had greater numbers.)

Everyone that has been made killable is NOT 'precious'. But there are those that the dev's won't touch because it'll anger their male player base, so yeah, more male characters have been made killable than female ones and I see that trend continuing. Rest assured though, your 'precious' Lana is one of the sanctified ones that will never see death or hardship, so be happy.

Neither will Ashara, Nadia, Kira or Mako.