Scoundrels/Operatives ridculously OP.

You sir, do not know how much lightning strike hits for.

This is just a matter of l2p. Better players are better, because they are, not because they have a secret magic instant win button.

His past success in a different game with a different class has no bearing on Operative being OP (which was the topic of the thread), if anything it implies that part of the reason he's so effective is because he is a skilled player.

I never criticized his skill at all, I criticized the people that don't want to look for a solution before coming to the forums and whining.

I understand the initial frustration of getting killed by operatives. It can be intimidating to have your health drop that quickly. However, its already been pointed out several times in this thread, that once that initial burst of dmg is over...the op is spent. I know when that happens, I am looking around for other players to finish my target off, or just trying to survive so I can restealth.

I think the people asking for a nerf really arent thinking through what they are asking for though. The op/scoundrel ambush specs are designed for high burst openings, and thats it. They take out single targets and get away. That is their job. The requirements for this huge dmg are rather steep compared to other classes. Positional/Stealth requirements. As well as resolve factoring into how much we can CC. If you want to take away, the best thing the operative can do...really the thing the operative can do...they have to be given something to balance it out. You cant just remove their burst damage without increasing their sustained damage.

In order for that to happen, an operative would have to not only be given different types of attacks that can be maintained over the course of a fight, but given more survivability to bring them into line with other melee classes.

Im sure there are a lot of changes that can be made that would improve PvP balance and competitiveness, but my general sense is that most people are just asking for a nerf, instead of trying to think of how to improve their play against the operative/scoundrel scenarios described.

I certainly feel I have advantages in situations, however I have never felt over powered on my Op.

I'd suggest that the people who think scoundrels and operatives are OP to give the class a try and see for yourself how it plays. Both classes are very gimped until you get Shoot First at 36, and the earliest you can get Flechette Round is level 40. It's a burst DPS class that relies on stealth, the element of surprise, and catching enemies by themselves. People who say that scoundrels are unbeatable probably need to get more experience fighting them in warzones.

If you try to fight more than one enemy by yourself, you die.

If you get AoE'd out of stealth, you die.

If you get more than one enemy hammering on you, you die.

If you don't execute your opener, you die.

If you blow your CC break before your resolve bar fills, you die from chain CC.

If you get rooted or slowed, you get kited to death.

Your only way to escape any of these situations is with Disappearing Act, an ability with a three minute cooldown. It's not like you can use it as a Get Out of Jail Free Card in every fight like some people think.

I'll beat him.

You do know this is Wrath, right?


Oh, I'll beat anyone and their mom.. You now this!

So will I. Can't wait for this kid to make a scoundrel and post vids of 250k dmg...

I will post a video of a 30 Sorc doing 400k LAWL. I will even slam my keys like a foot above the keyboard shouting DERP DERP DERP.

So people are presenting arguments to your statement... you reply to this by brushing off their arguments and saying that you're opinion is "fact"... interesting.

Operatives are very easy to counter during the stun combo if you have trinket, without their stuns they are extremely vulnerable. I'm sure this particular Operative had a good chuckle about how he just obliterated 2 people who didn't even attempt to fight back.

Oh snap Wrath! How ya been?