Yes they should do something more with Vaylin

Vaylin is dead. For everyone. In every kind of playthrough of the story. Anything more than a Force ghost is too much. I like dead characters to stay dead. A clone is just stupid, in my opinion. That said, they could use the Force ghost approach to let some of the less-satisfied players help her find some peace.

With regard to the established story, they will never change the previously released story content. It is what it is, and they’re not going to spend the resources to change it. Even if they did, there will never be an option where Vaylin lives. Her death is necessary for Valkorion to take over your mind. He says as much in the final chapter. You may have wanted more persistent dialogue choices to try and save her, which is fine, but the point of that chapter is that you can’t save everyone. Vette or Torian will die. And no matter how much you plead with her, no matter how much you understand her pain, Vaylin will not listen. And if you value the lives of all the people under your command, you will be forced to kill her. The actions of the fleet once she’s dead can have no bearing on your decision because you could not predict they would go crazy (and Valkorion certainly wasn’t telling).

It’s fine to wish you hadn’t been forced to use her conditioning, or that you’d had more persuasive arguments during the final fight, but those parts of the story won’t be changed. Let her tormented ghost come to you for healing (or more torment, if your character is so inclined), and let her be done with.

I'm pretty sure we know all that. No one is asking that they actually go back and change history, as disturbing as so many of their decisions were. As I've said, I'd settle for some kind of acknowledgement that these decisions were the wrong ones. Since i feel that such a statement is actually less likely, a non-story Vaylin companion on the console or the CM (hopefully with voice and other interaction options the CM companions don't generally get) will be sufficient. It makes it easier to pretend that the story was decent.

I'm not above wanting an in-story resurrection, honestly, but it's unlikely and isn't strictly necessary. I'd prefer interacting with her spirit a bit more to put the story in a better context rather than the non-story companion, even if it just meant she moved on at the end of that, but I think that would actually be harder and more expensive. Plus, I confess I want her shouting at my enemies.

And yet, if not taken for a clean coin this "plot move", serving to promote further action, I still adhere to the idea that it would be quite good to implement the idea of a "bonus" content.

Here I refer more to the fact that for example - romance with Arcann will be added, because he was interested for a certain part of the players and this innovation also does not interfere with the rest, so , if there is a group interested in Vaylin, then why they cannot get something too? Which would not be mandatory for passage for all, especially since on this forums can find a lot of interesting ideas about it.

Of course I understand that there are things much more important, especially when the main focus is on returning to the conflict of Imp - Pub, but of course no one screams about to immediately consider such an idea of getting Vaylin.

Also, not all can to accept her death as a natural result and all the more not everyone can just humble with this.



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^^^ What he said.

Oh, and two more things: "No matter how much you plead with her". That's a huge part of the problem. You don't plead with her. If I had been allowed to do that, I wouldn't be here over a year later. Showing her sympathy, to her face rather than to companions and, worse, to her abuser, would have been tolerable. Telling her she can't be saved, using her abuse myself, is not.

To be fair, we are allowed to appeal to her reason. "Valkorion wants us to fight, maybe we shouldn't". But that's not the same thing. A show of compassion would have cost nothing, could have still ended the same because she can't accept it any more than reason, but would makd the whole thing not so, just, awful. It didn't happen.

We didn't know the Fleet would go berserk: True, but if we'd been allowed to have our characters show a modicum of intelligence, we would have known that doing what her abuser said would lead to no good. If we kill Arcann, we know for a fact that Valkorion is getting something out of killing his children, we see him taking Arcann's power. Just because we don't know the specifics of his plan doesn't mean we should go along with him. Instead, we listen to the abusive, planet-eating creep's plans and appear to think, "What could go wrong?"

I just realized: I've never really liked the idea of "save Arcann if you're LS, save Vaylin if you're DS" that I've seen a couple of times. But if it was framed as, kill Arcann because he's a threat, see what happens, and then try harder to save Vaylin because otherwise Valkorion takes her power, too, and succeed, I could see that. And it works whether we're LS or DS, sympathetic or judging. Then we don't fight both.

I somewhat like the idea of it being Vaylin with us, along with a choice of Lana or Theron, in Chapter 9.

I went down that line of thinking because that's what it felt like at the time.

Yeah, it sometimes takes me a bit to connect the dots.

Yeah.

All that aside though, I guess we should be talking about ways she could come back rather than what could have been.

I made that statement to point out how the story would still turn out, even if you had gotten all the options you wanted.

You wanted the option to be able to deny Valkorion what he wants. The point of the chapter, as I said before, is that you can’t. You say you wanted an option to show that your character knows listening to Valkorion is a bad idea, yet the option you reference above does exactly that. Maybe you wanted to be more emphatic, sure, there’s nothing wrong with that, but no one’s character is “forced” to act like doing exactly what Valkorion says is a great idea. If that’s your issue, then we should be talking about the KotFE chapter where Lana says, “Let’s ask Valkorion for advice,” and your character just trundles off into the woods to talk to him without being able to so much as question whether that’s a good idea.

But that’s neither here nor there. We both seem to agree that nothing will be done about the chapters that already exist. So arguing over little details won’t really accomplish anything. Let’s look at our options. Some people have suggested resurrecting or cloning Vaylin. As I said in my previous post, I think both of those are terrible ideas, because dead characters should stay dead, and cloning is just stupid. You may think they’re good ideas (and feel free to say so), but I hate them, so I hope they don’t get seriously considered.

A third option, which you seem to think would be okay, is to bring back her ghost for some sort of reconciliation, which I think could work. What would you want to see in such a conversation? What could they do now, that could help fix the chapters that didn’t give you the options you wanted? They could put her in the terminal as a companion, too, but that only helps the people who want her to run around screaming at their enemies. Let’s stop arguing over what’s already been done and try to see what they can do now.