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Yes they should do something more with Vaylin

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Yes they should do something more with Vaylin

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gamephil
03.09.2018 , 10:57 AM | #51
Quote: Originally Posted by evasilievna View Post
Personally i would prefer anyone else to be ressurected but Vaylin. Marr was " the unstoppable force between his people and the enemies" . Malgus was the voice of reason, he wanted " a more tolerant Empire". Revan was crazy with a capital C, but not impossible to reason with .
Revan could not be reasoned with until his other self turned up, a miracle on a par with using the holocron on Vaylin, after which she could also be reasoned with. That change could have happened for her at any time, and with everything else, should have. I'm not saying everyone needs to be saved, but she should have been, because the story is just uniquely bad otherwise. Since we weren't given a choice then, we should be now.

Still, I could certainly see Marr or Revan coming back, because they're both spirits, and with Malgus, there wasn't a body. I feel their stories are acceptably finished, but I'm not against them returning in some way. I just want this thing they created overturned first.

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Well, the whole thing about her being in our minds is still open for debate. Marr & Revan never connected with us and Malgus is still in a fridge.
That, too. I like the idea of her Force ghost still being with us, and as I said before, a brief cutscene, short playable mission, or even just an email that said, "Here's your Vaylin companion, here's how you saved her" would be sufficient. SWTOR's resources seem to be pretty stretched, after all.

Yes, I also just want to hear Vaylin yelling, "You think you're winning!" at my enemies, but I wouldn't be here a year later for that alone.

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evasilievna
03.09.2018 , 11:44 AM | #52
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Revan could not be reasoned with until his other self turned up, a miracle on a par with using the holocron on Vaylin, after which she could also be reasoned with. That change could have happened for her at any time, and with everything else, should have. I'm not saying everyone needs to be saved, but she should have been, because the story is just uniquely bad otherwise. Since we weren't given a choice then, we should be now.

Still, I could certainly see Marr or Revan coming back, because they're both spirits, and with Malgus, there wasn't a body. I feel their stories are acceptably finished, but I'm not against them returning in some way. I just want this thing they created overturned first.



That, too. I like the idea of her Force ghost still being with us, and as I said before, a brief cutscene, short playable mission, or even just an email that said, "Here's your Vaylin companion, here's how you saved her" would be sufficient. SWTOR's resources seem to be pretty stretched, after all.

Yes, I also just want to hear Vaylin yelling, "You think you're winning!" at my enemies, but I wouldn't be here a year later for that alone.
Sorry friend, but the "save or redeem Vaylin" ship has left the spaceport a few chapters ago, there's nothing more to say, she's dead and gone.
Now think how fortunate you will be to just wither away and never be ...

Unveil the curtain of sanity...

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Paulsutherland
03.09.2018 , 11:45 AM | #53
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Sorry friend, but the "save or redeem Vaylin" ship has left the spaceport a few chapters ago, there's nothing more to say, she's dead and gone.
Only for those who lack an imagination and or creativity.

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03.09.2018 , 11:55 AM | #54
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Sorry friend, but the "save or redeem Vaylin" ship has left the spaceport a few chapters ago, there's nothing more to say, she's dead and gone.
No idea why. Considering her lineage, the holocron, her supposedly great power that really never made a difference (cracking the wall? Impressive in its way, but meaningless), a one time resurrection could and should be done. I wouldn't even normally argue for such a thing, even with ways to do it raining on us like cats and dogs, but, again, the story was so awful it should not stand.

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evasilievna
03.09.2018 , 11:56 AM | #55
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Only for those who lack an imagination and or creativity.
OK, so you're willing to forgive someone for killing Vette or Torian? Eventually say " is ok honey, s**t happens? Sorry but is not working for me, i want "eye for an eye".
Now think how fortunate you will be to just wither away and never be ...

Unveil the curtain of sanity...

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gamephil
03.09.2018 , 12:01 PM | #56
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OK, so you're willing to forgive someone for killing Vette or Torian? Eventually say " is ok honey, s**t happens? Sorry but is not working for me, i want "eye for an eye".
And that shouldn't have happened, either. Again, her whole story was awful, the fact that we got to torture her ourselves, never said anything in that scene when Valk popped out to provoke her, the very fact that a mentally ill abuse victim is portrayed as this over-the-top villain, makes such an awfully done moment for drama just part of the whole toxic stew.

Plus, I'm not against you getting that choice. I think the story was disgusting because of the lack of it, I think a story where she DIDN'T do that because you didn't use her abuse would be better. But if you want her dead, and because of that moment, I'm good. I'd like to get her back and get her help rather than continue her abuse, and do forgive her that because it was just such a bad story choice, and I'd like to ignore it. You don't want her back because of what she did. That's fine.

She should not have been that. It's disgusting. We shouldn't have been party to it. That's even worse. It should be fixed.

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Paulsutherland
03.09.2018 , 12:05 PM | #57
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OK, so you're willing to forgive someone for killing Vette or Torian? Eventually say " is ok honey, s**t happens? Sorry but is not working for me, i want "eye for an eye".
I've got my own grudge against a decision that could have solved simply by splitting up.

As for Vaylin. LS? Yeah, yes I would. DS? Depends on the character. .

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Blackvinils
03.09.2018 , 12:05 PM | #58
Personally, for me, the death of Vett\Torian seemed so far-fetched by the rush of the plot and yes, I do not pity for them, so...

Yes, I would be able to forgive her



#Arcann,Nathema&Vaylin

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gamephil
03.09.2018 , 12:08 PM | #59
Quote: Originally Posted by Paulsutherland View Post
I've got my own grudge against a decision that could have solved simply by splitting up.

As for Vaylin. LS? Yeah, yes I would. DS? Depends on the character. .
Oh, yes. And they cut the dialog that might have explained it a bit. But, ultimately, that was another thing forced on us. It was well done in ME, not so much here.

Neutralish characters are actually the ones I see as most inclined to kill her, because they can be pragmatic. DS characters should want to use her, if possible, but a DS BH with Torian as a love interest, for example? Dead. LS characters who go for "justice" over "mercy"? Probably the same. But all things considered, yes, I agree that lots of people would forgive her even that, or, at least, still regret that she had to die, even after that.

Which is not the same as just letting her run around if she were brought back, I'd like if she were a story character for it to be mentioned that she is under constant observation and getting help from maybe Doctor the Hutt and the Force Enclave. But if we go with my assumption that she was meant to be troubled and broken, rather than a monster of her own will, that at least some of her behavior was imposed, then I'm personally good with forgiveness.

It's what I mean, though, "eye for an eye" is a perfectly valid choice. I just wanted others.

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Paulsutherland
03.09.2018 , 12:12 PM | #60
Quote: Originally Posted by gamephil View Post
Oh, yes. And they cut the dialog that might have explained it a bit. But, ultimately, that was another thing forced on us. It was well done in ME, not so much here.
Even with that dialog you pass 5 or so alliance alert companions before you're forced to make the decision. Surely one of them could have tagged along with us?