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An Alien as the Warrior


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Celise
11.30.2017 , 02:40 AM | #21
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Except that the Academy has relaxed its rules enough because of the war that any force sensitive is shoveled off to Korriban for training, even slaves.
From a game mechanic standpoint, Nox has special plot dialogue if you play as an alien because aliens were available as playable choices from the beginning.

I don't remember if the SW had any though, although a Chiss force sensitive would be such a rare occurrence that he might have been trained just because of that. Them being the only alien race the empire sort of decently tolerates.
human empire officers will always take issues with aliens no matter if they are allied or enemy. frequently there is chatter about alien scum and filth being mentioned by certain individuals. even on Hoth with that world storyline on the empire side, you can help Yudrass out from the Chiss ascendancy to become a Colonel in charge of an imperial base, none the less Commander Tritan will point out that enlisted soldiers may take issue following the orders of an alien in their ranks. there are other examples earlier on as well.

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drug_cartel
01.13.2018 , 08:41 PM | #22
Storywise, it can be made to work.

First and foremost, you are not actually said to be from an elite bloodline. You are actually said to have taken shortcuts and had advantages given to you by Overseer Tremmel. Which, honestly, you have. You skipped the 'school' part of training and advanced to the trials without ever bothering to learn the Sith Code, and had your judgements flown in from off-world for you. Overseer Tremmel has given you special treatment and your fellow Acolytes are (rightfully) jealous of the advantages and shortcuts you have been given.

Now this gets sometimes cast in a different light because of the statements of Overseer Tremmel. Tremmel makes very disparaging overtones against "impure bloodlines". However, when Tremmel makes those comments, whom is he speaking about? Vemrin. And Vemrin is a white human male without any visible cybernetics. So Tremmel's prejudices run far deeper than just species (although he does also make comments about hating aliens). Some presume that this now canonically implies that, since he likes you, and he hates the impure bloodlines, you must somehow be of pure blood.

Unless...

Recall after Tremmel's defeat, Baras very clearly tells you that Tremmel "thought of you as family". He makes a very sentimental comment, trying to play at your emotions. This could mean that Tremmel loved you and thought of you as his own child, perhaps having even adopted you. This could mean that Tremmel considered you someone of similar beliefs to his, a kindred spirit (maybe you are, in your own way, some form of Cathar nobility who feels that you too are better than your Cathar fellows). But I feel the most insightful and accurate interpretation is revealed by actually looking at what "family" means to Tremmel.

We get to see multiple interactions between Tremmel and his daughter. He has her enrolled as an acolyte; however, he does not trust her to defeat Vemrin. Maybe he's protecting her because he cares about her, and looks at you as potentially expendable. More likely, he looks at you as more likely to be successful, and shunts aside his own daughter in order to accomplish his goals. Tremmel's relationship with his daughter is dismissive and detatched, with him throwing his support towards you, an Alien of all creatures, rather than his own pure-blooded daughter.

And how does his daughter respond when she believes you have killed her father? She stands against you, desiring to fight to the death to avenge him. She cared about him in clearly a way that he did not care about her. Or, in other words, he manipulated her and used her to his own gain. Same as he was doing with you. For Overseer Tremmel, to be "thought of as family" means to be thought of as useful, exploitable, and able to be manipulated, but ultimately another expendable tool in his game and to his ends. Not nearly as flattering a comment as Baras made it out to be, but fitting for an Old Ways Sith.

So as a Cathar Warrior, what we know as canon would be this.

The very openly prejudice Tremmel took you, despite your 'inferior' bloodline, because he sensed great power in you. He intentionally skipped you past all the Sith education that might have prepared you to deal with his manipulations, and dropped you straight into the Trials, where your brute strength and power could potentially defeat Vemrin, but without the tools you would need to ascend much further. Tremmel's fears were not that Vemrin would become Sith; it was that with Vemrin's power and Baras's training, Vemrin could become a Sith Lord, perhaps even a Darth someday, attaining leadership that he was too 'impure' to deserve. You, without that Sith education, a lowly alien, are little more than a dog he sicked on his enemies, using you to kill Vemrin and thwart Baras. He treated you like his attack dog, with every intention that, after becoming Sith, you would ultimately fail to move further upwards because of his intentionally poor training. Training which he had a thorough understanding of, considering he was appointed as the OVERSEER for the Sith Academy on Korriban.

And then, once Tremmel falls and you become Baras's apprentice, Baras has canonically and openly expressed he has no interest in the old ways of the bloodlines, and he is happy to exploit anyone, regardless of race, if they provide power towards his own gains. After you leave Korriban, nobody will ever mention the idea of your bloodline, or the shortcuts you took in your training. Only that you have great power and a strong connection to the force, which has nothing to do with race.

Can a Cathar Sith Warrior work? Yup. You just have to understand Overseer Tremmel's role in things.

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DudeinFlames
01.28.2018 , 11:56 AM | #23
The entire reason Tremel brought the Warrior to the Academy early is because Vemrin's blood wasn't pure enough.

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Asmodesu
01.28.2018 , 04:02 PM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by drug_cartel View Post
Storywise, it can be made to work.

First and foremost, you are not actually said to be from an elite bloodline.
You are actually said to have taken shortcuts and had advantages given to you by Overseer Tremmel. Which, honestly, you have. You skipped the 'school' part of training and advanced to the trials without ever bothering to learn the Sith Code, and had your judgements flown in from off-world for you. Overseer Tremmel has given you special treatment and your fellow Acolytes are (rightfully) jealous of the advantages and shortcuts you have been given.
I agree with most of this as you're correct however the bolded part you are incorrect. It is specifically stated in dialogue AND codex that the sith warrior is indeed one of ancient Sith lineage. Note: doesn't mean sith pureblood only, most likely a mix of human and sith pureblood.
Dialogue said by SW on Korriban: "I am the heir of a great Sith bloodline, how dare you even ask such a question of me?"
to which he/she receives the reply: "Your special heritage does not place you above suspicion-- nor should it."

And the codex entry for the Sith Warrior:
The Sith Warrior
Ranking from birth among the most elite in the Sith Empire, <<name>>'s deadly skills and command of the dark of the Force have become legendary. Lightsaber in hand, <<name>> has carved a path of destruction through Republic foes and scheming Sith adversaries alike, eventually becoming the favored enforcer of the Sith Emperor himself. But now the Emperor has betrayed the Empire, forcing <<name>> to join with unlikely allies to defeat a seemingly invincible foe....
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notanjelika
02.01.2018 , 12:24 AM | #25
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You can probably try to write a ellaborate backstory explaining how an alien managed to reach high status and have a Sith family in the Empire.
Backstory for my Cathar SW : his father ( a human sith lord) was a madman who enhanced himself in order to procreate with other species. On Taris, he found a force sensitive Cathar woman, promised to take her out of that dump if she agrees to have a child with him. She died in childbirth, but the offspring was healthy and at the right age was sent to the Sith Academy .
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DudeinFlames
02.02.2018 , 03:30 PM | #26
That backstory is impossible on several levels.

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Eanelinea
02.02.2018 , 05:04 PM | #27
As a game player, I say my characters can be any damn combo I want.

Lore wise, it's weird cause my Sith Warrior is human, and her siblings are an Adopted Chiss Agent sister (adopted at age 2), a Sith Inquisitor (who game wise was a slave (my backstory is she was kidnapped as a young child)), a Republic Trooper, a Bounty Hunter (all are her sisters and aside from the Agent, are all human).

My Warrior's daughter with Quinn, is a smuggler.

So, I say do what you want and play around with the game story and your own back story. Anything is possible.
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notanjelika
02.07.2018 , 04:44 PM | #28
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So, I say do what you want and play around with the game story and your own back story. Anything is possible.
Well said, thank you for this post <3
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SithKoriandr
02.07.2018 , 08:17 PM | #29
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As a game player, I say my characters can be any damn combo I want.

Lore wise, it's weird cause my Sith Warrior is human, and her siblings are an Adopted Chiss Agent sister (adopted at age 2), a Sith Inquisitor (who game wise was a slave (my backstory is she was kidnapped as a young child)), a Republic Trooper, a Bounty Hunter (all are her sisters and aside from the Agent, are all human).

My Warrior's daughter with Quinn, is a smuggler.

So, I say do what you want and play around with the game story and your own back story. Anything is possible.
Well, that works when you want to veer off from the story of the game. Or not be a part of it. Quinn for instance couldn't be the father of the Smuggler of the story with the Warrior, as the storylines happen at the same time and none of the stories.

However, if the idea is to break from the TOR storyline, then anything is possible. No need to worry about if the race works for the class, as you'd be breaking from the start.

Chiss wasn't even a playable class for the Warrior and Inquisitor at the start.
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Ainiv
02.14.2018 , 12:23 PM | #30
Meh, I just started a Warrior as a Cathar and in my headcanon she was a slave captured on Taris and then sent to Korriban after discovering the force sensitivity. The Bloodline aspect does not come up often enough for me to be bothered by it.
Also, my first character that got to the end of the class storyline was a Togruta warrior and back then it didn't bother me either.


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