Leave murader alone buff other melee classes

Byproducts? Snipers are eaiser to heal over marauder? Are you out of your mind? Have you experienced any ranked games ever?

Facts:
Marauders are the easiest class to heal because they are able to mitigate the most damage out of probably every class. Snipers actually suffered a lot after their shield heal was nerfed. In team ranked on a mara/sniper team the focus is almost always the sniper because after their evasion and diversion is gone, they are dead. Snipers are by far squishier and easier to shut down than a good marauder, hands down.

Mercs are ONLY decent because of their dcds, that is why they are pretty great in games without tanks or healers because games like that all come down to survival. When it comes to team games mercs are pretty much terrible. The only thing keeping them afloat is their dcds not their ability to kill something. If someone just sits on a merc in teams their damage is cut in half making them incredibly sub-par.

Mara ability to upkeep damage while being tunneled/ pressured while also holding some of the best mitgtation dcds in the game on short cool downs is why they are viable and meta in all specs. Every other melee class is a sever downgrade in all aspects from peeling to pressure to dcds. That’s why maras have been meta in ranked for many seasons and continue to be. RA needs to be nerfed to make other melee classes competitive and fury needs changes. This would make maras more fair in comparison to every other melee class and even then they would still be better. That’s how much they are overtuned, so wake up.

To be honest, i'm pretty happy when the opposing team in 4s has merc dps. Outside of net they arent going to do anything world beating. Hell when I run PT tank i'm sure our mara's dcds are better than mine.

All of them

But mostly Dec.

Didn't dispute Maras are good and RA might be too much at all. But no melee needed as much Burst or Anti.CC or DCDs if current powerlevels of Snipers weren't in the game to start with (or pre nerf Mercs). And if they didn't need it, then Mercs wouldn't need their survival buffs either. It is a balancing cycle.

This is quite simple contextual analysis. Maras are super strong, but there is a reason they need to be - with emphasis on need. Current Sniper levels of "Super Strong" was in the game, way before Fury was reworked or RA existed.


4v4 is still a fraction of played PvP, were it all comes down to 1st kill/death. And off course DCDs matter in this context and make a big impact. But balacing of the overall swtor PvP, is not done solely because of Ranked 4v4 Trinity 1st-to-kill-deathmatches. I think we need to consider that before getting caught up in a none fruitful line of discussion. I clearly see your guys perspective. No problem. Just pointing towards the above.

Peace.

I need some lessons, my deception spec is rusty after not playing it for 18 months. Do you have any tips because I’ve just rolled a new Sin.

4v4 is still a fraction of played PvP, were it all comes down to 1st kill/death. And off course DCDs matter in this context and make a big impact. But balacing of the overall swtor PvP, is not done solely because of Ranked 4v4 Trinity 1st-to-kill-deathmatches. I think we need to consider that before getting caught up in a fruitless line of discussion. I clearly see your guys perspective. No problem. Just pointing towards the above.

Mara/sniper were dominate in ranked way before they were buffed again. It has nothing to do with this rock/paper/scissors theory you have going where one class has to be overpowered to counter another class. That is totally bs. That’s like people arguing that mercs had to stay overpowered so they could kill other mercs in Pvp (which was said on forums after 5.0 dropped).

The point is mara has been overtuned for a while now to the point that playing anything else in ranked is determental to your success. It should never be like that, other classes can be competitive if you tune down this one, it’s an easy fix. And no maras don’t need RA, fury mara doesn’t need rotational cc immunity up 50% of the time. These are just there, the fact of the matter is even if they nerfed mara and removed RA, they will still be dominate in ranked because of their team utility and having almost no weaknesses in a strong comp.

And balancing SHOULD be done by ranked, this is a pvp game for god sake. Ranked takes dcds, cds and damage to their extremes and tests all classes compared to each other. The ones who come on top every time *are* fundamentally better pvp classes, that doesn’t change in different game modes. Put all the overtuned classes on one side of a reg match and they will most likely win no matter how hard you spam your little node cap. This mentally is why I can’t take people’s comments seriously on forums.


Ps- please tell me one competitive game that balances around 90% of the worst of their pvp community. Name one.